Forget the History, Forget the Politics

[Phil Redmond]

. . . . . How effective you fight is not the same as the effectiveness of the art or system.

Have you personally tested what you do full out against stylists outside of your kwoon?
I still stand by the fact that you'll never know if you don't test what you do. There is no other way. Every fighter is aware of that fact.

[m1k3]

Methods of training and teaching can evolve. A system that reaches Maximum efficiency , a stage where nothing can be (+) or (-), does not need to evolve.

I disagree. This presupposes that you already know everything that could be added or subtracted from the system, have tested it and determined it no to be efficient.

I admit I am a skeptic but I truly find that hard to believe.

[chusauli]

Any system tends towards entropy.

[duende]

Any system tends towards entropy.

The nature of all things is to tend towards entrophy. The purpose of a "system" is to identify core concepts and determine what exactly makes the logic itself complete and self-sustaining.

ie... a Grundegestalt. Which can then provide a checks and balances towards this tendency.

In regards to the art of WC. A system can provide a definitive outline to refer to when needed for "tune-ups" and skill developement. Speed, power, conditioning are all absolutely necessary, but when they fail to provide reasonings as to why the fight was lost. Or why the technique failed, then the system can tell you what personal attributes need to be improved in order to overcome these defficiencies.

[hhe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hhe
Methods of training and teaching can evolve. A system that reaches Maximum efficiency , a stage where nothing can be (+) or (-), does not need to evolve.


from m1k3
I disagree. This presupposes that you already know everything that could be added or subtracted from the system, have tested it and determined it no to be efficient.

I admit I am a skeptic but I truly find that hard to believe.

chusauli and m1k3,

If you have not experience it, it is over your head.

[chusauli]

I humbly and respecfully ask you to enlighten me.

[hhe]

You can not experience Kung Fu on the net.

[couch]

You can not experience Kung Fu on the net.

...and you have no idea who you're talking to on these forums.

[couch]

"WC isn't a system (Pai). It's a 'Kuen'."

May be that is true for your WC , but not true for my. My system is a Pai. How effective you fight is not the same as the effectiveness of the art or system.

Let's rephrase what you wrote in my minds eye: "The effectiveness of the art or system is the same as how effective I am at fighting."

WC, no different than other combat arts, should turn people into fighting machines:
http://filmonic.com/wp-content/uploa...inator_004.jpg

[hhe]

Let's rephrase what you wrote in my minds eye: "The effectiveness of the art or system is the same as how effective I am at fighting."

The pilot is not the same as his fighter plane. I will put my $ on an experience pilot flying a less capable plane than an inexperience pilot flying more advance fighter plane.
Unless it is an F22 fighter (a system that is way ahead of everything else that is out there and changes the rules of combat), a plane that makes every pilot an ace.

.....and you have no idea who you're talking to on these forums.

Ignorance and ego appears in everyone

[Phil Redmond]

chusauli and m1k3,

If you have not experience it, it is over your head.

The "over your head" wasn't necessary. I'll try to be tactful so I'll only say that you could be making your comment to people who are 'experienced'. Oops, it turns out that you are.