I feel awkward taking credit for this
story for two reasons. The first has to do with the
subject matter. As a martial arts writer myself, I
have long found in Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming's work a
tremendous source of personal inspiration. When I was
a fledgling freelance writer, intelligently-written
books on Chinese martial arts were few and far between.
Back then, most books made scant offerings: a few
pages of introduction, typically a recounting of
apocryphal Shaolin legends, followed by a short
discussion of the author's lineage and style. The
rest were "how to" photos and captions. Dr.
Yang's books were thick and informative. Not only
did they expand upon those stereotypical introductions,
they provided some serious background research and
insight on the topic. For the literate martial artist,
Dr. Yang's books were a breath of fresh air. They
really opened the door to deeper knowledge for
practitioners who only read English. I still reference
his books today. In fact, if you were to excavate the
perpetual avalanche of work piling my desk, you'd
find more books by Dr. Yang than any other
English-language author. So for me to interview
Dr. Yang was like the student interviewing the founding
grandmaster.
The interview itself was the second bit of
awkwardness. Typically, the process of interviewing a
master is a lot like playing ping pong, swatting ideas
back and forth, looking for that revealing dramatic
volley. Many masters aren't accustomed to the
interview process. Why should they be? And
frankly, I'm no Letterman or Oprah. So there's
a lot that goes into most cover story interviews -
as well as a lot of editing - to make the
conversation flow for a decent read. But with Dr.
Yang, I only asked two questions, and he just ran with
them in a cohesive improvised monolog. What's
more, he anticipated most all of my follow-up
questions. So I feel a little guilty because all I
really did was transcribe his answers. It all started
with one question.
What do you see as the biggest challenges facing
traditional Chinese martial arts today?
This biggest problem is lifestyle has changed.
Trace back how traditional martial arts were developed.
They developed because they think about the ancient
society. 99.99% of the people were farmers. They
don't have such things as industrial business like
today. It ended up that in the daytime, people had a
lot of time. Everyone had a small piece of land, and
in their extra time they practiced martial arts. My
White Crane master, he was a farmer. I asked him,
"How long did it really take you to take care of
the land, take care of the farm?" He said,
"A couple hours a day." I asked, "What
did you do for the rest of the time?" He
said, "Well, I played chess. I practiced martial
arts. Talk to friends." Ancient people had more
time to enjoy life than today's people.
People you see today, for example, in the industrial
life, you get up in the morning, you go to work, you go
to sleep - ain't got no life. This only
happened in modern life, in modern times. It actually
started in the last century. Now this has become a big
problem. The big problem is this art was developed in
ancient times by people who had time and had
patience.
When people have time and patience and commitment,
then they can reach high levels. Classical music is
the same thing. In classical music today, we've
encountered a big problem. For classical music today,
it's hard to survive. For example, a few years ago
I was in Vienna. Remember Vienna's choir,
Italy's choir, is the most famous in the whole
world. I talked to them and they say that every town
puts one applicant - they chose one. But today,
they can't even find people that want to apply.
Because that lifestyle is totally different and people
don't want to make commitments like ancient times,
(don't) want to reach high levels.
Everything is what I call "McDonald culture."
Everything is quick, quick, quick. This kind of
mental influences heavily destroys traditional martial
arts as well. So that becomes a big problem.
In ancient times, anybody who wants to learn martial
arts, you'd spend ten years. Ten years and you
still learn the basics. You take the rest of your
lifetime to live out. Today there's no difference
- you play piano, you play violin, ten years,
it's all basic and not until there, you get to the
advanced level. You see the very famous pianist or
violinist, they spend thirty years and they reach a
very high level. The question is, can you find those
committed people today? That becomes the hardest
problem. For example, for my ten-year program, the
hardest part is to find qualified students that have
that preparation psychologically, and are willing to
jump out of today's society and to enter the
mountain, to accept the training. Traditional martial
arts were developed under ancient situations. So
that's why students, they can go to the mountains,
they can train there without too much distraction from
modern society. And that's why art can reach deep.
But today, you don't.
It took me a long time to figure out. How can I
preserve the arts without allowing it to get lost?
For example, my generation - I was born in 1946
- I was between the old society and new society,
especially in Taiwan. So because I still had old
society, I could still see my masters' levels when
they train. And at the same time, I can enter the new
society, because I also experienced the new society as
an engineer. So that's why I can see both sides
clearly - what happened. And now, how can we use
today's mentality to train the ancient way and to
preserve the art? It's impossible, because
between me and my master, I already lost half of the
knowledge. My master spent 23 years with his master.
They trained together and practiced together, because
it's their life. So that's why my master
always said, "You are not really learning martial
arts, you are learning the way of life," because
you always get into it and that's your life. So 23
years to him is nothing. But today, 23 years, it's
a waste. Twenty-three years is so long. But think
about it, my master lived with his master for 23 years.
How can I train with him only 13 years - and those
13 years we didn't even live together; I only
trained in the night time - how can I reach the
same level as my master? Only two words - no
way. I didn't learn half of what he knew and he
took it with him.
That's what makes me so upset, because in 1976
he passed away. In '74, I came to the United
States and '76 he passed away. I didn't even
know. When my mother came in 1978 before my first son
was born, my mother told me, "Your master passed
away two years ago." My master lived in the
mountains. He couldn't read. He couldn't
write. Everything came from my family and passed a
message to me. My mother had no mail to deliver,
nothing. And I asked my mom, "Why you didn't
want to tell me?" My mom asked me a very
serious question. She said, "What would you do if
I told you your master passed away?" I
couldn't answer. My mom knew if I knew that, I
would just quit my school and go home for my
master's funeral. My mom said, "That's
the reason I didn't want to tell you. To me, your
school is more important - your PhD is more
important - than your master's funeral."
It was my mother's love to her son. I understand.
So in 1979, I got my first vacation. I went back.
Right in front of my master's tomb in the hot
summer, and his two kids with me, because I didn't
know where was the tomb, so his two kids took me to his
tomb.… I just sat there in the hot summer. I
feel… I feel so sad. Why so sad? It's
not the death. It's the knowledge. He spent all
his lifetime on knowledge - he took with him -
is dead. How do we get it back? No way I can get
it back.
See, that's why that time people asked me,
"Dr. Yang, how come you produce so much DVDs and
videotapes and books, whatever?" I never
hesitate to publicize it. I never hesitate to tell
what is real. I know there are Chinese masters that
say, "Oh, this is top secret. I cannot tell
you." To me, there is no such thing called
"secret." "Secret" is dying.
Where is the secret? You want to preserve it.
It's not really something secret. So for that
reason, I swore right in front of my master's tomb.
I said, "As long as I'm alive, I will try my
best to keep these arts alive." That was 1979.
In 1981, my first book was published. When I came
back, I started writing. I fulfill my promise to my
master.
And so when I was fifty, I started to think. In
1984, I quit my engineering job. I wrote all these
books. After teaching twenty years, everything is
shallow. Why shallow? It's not because the
knowledge is not there. It's because people
don't have that kind of lifestyle. They don't
have that kind of commitment to get in deep. They
don't understand the deep aspect of the martial
arts. All those things that they see are the forms.
Like for example, take taijiquan. The taijiquan they
see so far is forms. What is the essence behind the
forms? What is the internal side of taiji?
Very few people know. But those people who know, they
keep it a secret. But what is the secret?
Everything becomes surface. That's why I call it
McDonald culture, everything quick, quick, quick. Then
I started to wake up. When I was fifty - that was
thirteen years ago - I started to wake up and say,
"No, I was wrong." I tried to preserve the
art for twenty years through writing, publishing,
whatever. Everything is still shallow. My students
studied with me for twenty years. They didn't even
pick up half of what I know. And compare me to my
master - I don't know half of what he knew.
Just think about it. Within fifty years, the arts
dropped down from 100 to 25%.
Who's fault? Is it society's fault or
the person who knows the arts and doesn't share
with other people? He doesn't really carry
that obligation - because that's an obligation.
Remember I learned from three masters. I didn't
pay a penny. In the ancient times, the master teaches
students, it's not because I want to make money.
It's because it's an art - continue pass
down. It's from the heart. You teach students
from the heart, there's no money involved. The
only time my classmates and I spend money is my
master's birthday and Chinese New Year. We chip in
some money and buy some gift. A little bit of money.
It ended up always his wife would cook a big meal for
everyone. We ate more than what we spent. That's
the Chinese way. You look at the ancient times. A lot
of masters, they don't even take money from
students at all because they want to share these arts
to preserve it.
Today I want to take students up the mountain for
ten years of training. They cannot find a job. They
cannot make money. How are they going to survive?
How am I going to survive? That's the two
points. That's why the first thing I set up a
non-profit organization. It has to be
non-profitable because then people know, ok, this
is aiming to preserve the art. When I have money, I
can spend money for the students. And the second, if I
don't have no money, for example, now we don't
have too many people sponsoring. So I have to offer
seminars every summer. The seminar money is put in to
try to help. Now this is the second year. It's
working nice. Of course, if we had more money,
it's better. But even now, we don't have
money, we make it happen. I believe I can make it
happen. Before, maybe I was still wondering. But
after one year, I see I can find some - very few
- committed students. They really want to commit
their life there. And they want to become professional
martial artists - preserve it to the ancient
way.
One thing the students always concerned. They say,
"After ten years training, how are they going to
survive?" You are going to teach traditional
Chinese martial arts. But most people, they don't
want traditional Chinese martial arts. Like most
people, they don't want classical music. All they
want is rock music. But I told them, "Look, you
learn martial arts. It's for what? Is it for
money-making or because you love the
arts?" I showed them an example. Today
classical music still survives. You go back 200 years
ago. Classical music, they make big money out of it.
Today, classical music still survives, still the
quality is very high, but only fewer students. Why
does it still survive? That's because some
people, they say, "No, my life is the art. My
life is not for money." I told the students that
if you think that in the future you're going to
make big money after this ten-year program, then
you got the wrong place. You are here because in your
deep heart, this is part of your blood. It's what
I want. It's the same thing as master. Because I
think this is part of an art, my passion is there. So
I want to make it happen. If you have the same dream
as me, yes, you enjoy. Otherwise, you're not going
to enjoy. All the time, you'll worry. But I say
we try to do whatever we can. That's why they have
to learn writing - it's very good that Kung Fu
Tai Chi continues to help them. And they have to learn
how to produce DVDs. Because the question is what I am
doing - I won't say I'm very successful,
but I'm happy about my life. I survived with a
very nice life. I think they can survive the same way,
as long as they are willing to do it. The question is,
if they don't have that commitment, it won't
work. If they have commitment, they'll reach a
level of good quality in the future. They'll
survive.
This is a test. I always believe that if I can make
this program happen, I can inspire a lot of Chinese
masters, or even foreign masters who have learned
Chinese martial arts, to try and get back by copying
the same thing. And I believe the arts can be
preserved. I had to think of a possible way. I
couldn't let it die. So I said to myself, until
73. After 73, I step back (laughs). I still
have nine years to go. So to me now, it's not for
money. It's not for glory. It's nothing.
It's the art. We cannot let it die.
What is the value of the traditional arts
today?
We call it discipline. Today's young generation
or today's industry, you can see, loses patience
because everything is McDonald culture. They
don't have patience. It comes back to the end
point: what is the meaning of life? The
meaning of life is not just McDonald culture. Every
day you go, every day you go - ask yourself,
"What is the meaning?" For example, in
engineering, you make big money. I have many friends,
they are all engineers. They are all my age now. I
ask them, "What's the meaning of your
life?" Then they think a lot. They think a
while and they say, "I got no meaning." I
say, "That's right. You got no meaning.
Because all your life - thirty years - you are
the slave for the industry. You got no life. Everyday
you wake up, go into the traffic jam and then go to
make money, and then go home. You're so tired.
You sleep. On the weekend, you try to numb yourself.
And then pretty soon, thirty years have passed. I want
you to trace back. Look thirty years. How much you
feel you have your life?" Everyone tell me,
"No, I didn't have life." Company owned
their life.
What is life? Everyone has one lifetime here.
I don't know about reincarnation, but at least in
this lifetime, do I use every minute the way I
want? Does life control me or I control life?
In traditional martial arts, my master always told me
one thing. He said, "You learn this. It's
not really martial arts. You learn the way of
life." That's a question I keep pondering.
What is the meaning of the "way of life?"
I pondered for a while. Until I came to the United
States in the 1970s, because after 13 years, I kept
pondering. What you mean "the way of
life?" I know it trained patience, and
trained everything, but between them, there's
something missing. How can I train martial arts and
understand the meaning of life? My master gave me
a very simple answer. He say, "You train two
things when you train martial arts: your higher
level of awareness and higher level of alertness."
That's required for martial artists. And this
awareness and alertness makes your mind so sharp you
can understand things other people cannot understand.
Because you have a higher level of awareness, you can
catch a lot of tiny things that exist in this society
that other people don't know. They don't
catch. Alertness - you can catch your opportunity
other people cannot catch. That's a requirement
for martial arts. That's the same requirement for
life. You have these two and you understand the
meaning of life higher than other people.
That's 1974. Now I start telling the students
the same thing. I don't know if they understand
yet because when my master told me the same thing, I
couldn't understand. But now I start to
understand. Because the final goal is not to say how
much glory you got, how much money you make. It's
how much before you die - that instant, that moment
- you say, "Did I waste my life or
not?" If in that moment you say, "No,
this life - I didn't waste my life." I
can smile. I can die.
This one story my White Crane master told us. Most
of my classmates didn't understand. I didn't
understand either. There's a very famous Chinese
archer called Yang Youji. When he was a teenager, he
was the most famous archer in the whole village.
Because of that reason, he was so proud of himself. He
said, "I'm the best in the whole
village!" So proud of himself! One day,
he was in the study room and he heard from outside,
"Dong! Dong! Dong! Dong!"
That means from Chinese customs there's an oil man
- the old man sells oil. He was so curious -
try to see this old man sell oil. He come out to take
a look. The old man put the customer's jar -
the jar, the hole is about coin size - on the
ground. The old man used a ladle to scoop it and he
poured it all the way in without touching the edge. He
said, "Wow!" because he knows it's
not easy because he's an archer. He knows how
still he has to be, how concentrated he has to be.
It's not easy. He looked at him and said,
"Hey, how did you do this?" The old man
said - because everyone knows this boy - he
said, "You want to know more?" The boy
said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah!" "Go and
bring a bench." The boy went into the house and
brought a bench. Then the old man took a coin. You
know, Chinese coins have a hole inside - tiny, tiny
hole inside. He put the coin on the top of the hole of
the jar. He scooped the oil. He stood on top of the
bench and dripped it through the tiny hole without even
touching the coin. Now, this boy suddenly realized
it's impossible. He asked the old man, "How
did you do that?" The old man told him one
thing - it's a fact because if you understand,
you understand. Because you can see, you can see. The
old man said, "There's no difference with your
archery. The only thing is I practice more. You are
better than others because you practice more.
There's nothing to be proud." That hit him
hard. He suddenly realized. Since then, he practiced
so hard that when he reached the late twenties, he
became the most famous archer in the whole country.
And he became the emperor's bodyguard because
he's so famous. Then one day, he just ran away.
He's scared. He disappeared. Nobody can find him.
After thirty or forty years, one of his best friends
kept looking for him. And he discovered he was in Tian
Mountains. Tian Mountains are in Xinjiang, on the west
side, near Tibet. The old man said, "Hmm. I want
to verify that this is the person." His friend is
an old man too - sixties, seventies. He bring the
bow and arrow all the way, travel from the capital all
the way there. When the old man come to the house and
see him, they recognize each other. And they're so
happy. The old man put the bow and arrow on the top of
the table. He looked at this old man and said,
"What funny thing you carry. I've never seen
that in my whole life." You know what his friend
said? He said, "Wow. You must be the best
archer I've ever seen because you already past the
stage of archery." At that time, I didn't
understand what my master said. Now I start to
understand. All that learning and training process is
only one thing for your self. All this training, you
can learn piano. You can learn violin. You can learn
anything. To reach this level, you have to conquer
yourself. Through that conquering, you understand
what's the meaning of life. But once you reach
here, it's meaningless. It's empty.
Now, today's society, they move this away. No
challenge. Everything provide to you. You ask
today's young generation. In my generation, we
asked the same question. Are you happy with your
life? Do you understand what is life? Four of
out five would say, "No problem. I
understand." Today, ask five, maybe two or three
are confused about life. They got no challenge.
Everything provide to them. And today you look at how
many young people - teenage - commit suicide.
They are from rich families. They have everything they
want. Today, whatever they have, to us in that time,
is heaven. But to them, it's hell. That's
because this important part is experiencing the life
that today's society takes away. So my job, with
the ten-year program - take them to the
mountains. They have to experience this. That's
why I keep laughing. It's torturing to today's
generation. (laughs) They have to learn. And
they have to experience the pain.
The first beginning years are difficult. That's
why Mike quit. He said, "No, that's not what I
want." He go back to "the Matrix." But
the other four, now I can see they start to develop the
feeling. And they start to appreciate. I can see it
can be done. That's why after one year, I'm
more confident than in the beginning. And especially
the second group - nice. So far. But only two
weeks now.
It's
important because we have to provide for them. I have
a greenhouse. I have a garden. The greenhouse plant
- take it outside too fast and it die. Today's
whole generation grow up in a greenhouse. For example,
you have to be in an air-conditioned house. You
have to have a car. You don't walk. They grow up
there and they cannot get out. They cannot survive.
And in this case, what's the meaning? They
lost it. Today's society takes them away.
That's why I believe kung fu, because after almost
my life now, I realize what make me become today as I
am today. That's because I train martial arts.
Because I start thinking about if I were an engineer,
all the time, without quitting my engineering today, if
I looked back, would I be happy today? No. I
would be as unhappy as all my classmates. Not even one
said they are happy. A lot of them got laid off. One
of my best friends, an engineer, 57, got laid off.
They call 'forced retired.' It's high pay.
He got a PhD from Chicago University and he worked for
this company, I won't say which company, and they
just force him. He struggle, struggle, very unhappy,
until 61-62. He cannot find a job - stay at
home and do nothing. Finally he got leukemia and
passed away. And now I have many, many engineer
friends, all get laid off now. And only in their 50s.
It's not even 65. Because industry, they use you.
If you are an engineer, yes, you are young, I use you.
Now you are in your 50s. The salary I pay you I can
hire two Indian, two Chinese, new engineer. They work
harder than you. They have updated news, updated
information. You are the old generation. You get a
salary. You occupy a position. You're out. What
are the royalties? Tell me. There are no such
things called royalties in today's industry.
It's called reality. And people don't wake
up.
About Gene Ching: To learn more about the YMAA Retreat Center, visit
http://ymaa-retreatcenter.org. To read
about his ten-year program, see Dr. Yang and His
Disciples in our January February 2009 issue and Dr.
Yang's Disciples: Year One in our January
February 2010 issue. Articles by Dr. Yang's
disciples may be found in the May/June,
July/August, September/October and
November/December issues of 2009.