teaching Chin-Na/Cum-Na

[bawang]

if you want to know what is real or fake qin na, tense your muscles and resist. fake qin na cant do anything if you simply tense up.

[TenTigers]

Originally Posted by bawang

if you want to know what is real or fake qin na, tense your muscles and resist. fake qin na cant do anything if you simply tense up.

yeah, this is why we strike to set up a lock, to set up a strike.

[taai gihk yahn]

Originally Posted by TenTigers

yeah, this is why we strike to set up a lock, to set up a strike.

wait - u mean, you don't just touch their wrist and watch them go flying through the air?

[MightyB]

Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn

wait - u mean, you don't just touch their wrist and watch them go flying through the air?

They must not have the Realz Kung Fu!

[YouKnowWho]

Originally Posted by TenTigers

I would like to know your experiences, and opinions.

1st, you need to be able to change the locking direction that you want to teach.

For example, If you apply "downward" wrist lock and your opponent raise his elbow, you change your wrist lock into "horizontal". If he turns, you change it into "pulling toward you". The direction of your lock should be able to changed according to your opponent's reaction.

2nd, Just like throw, all locks need to be learned in pair in opposit direction.

For example, if you try an "backward" elbow lock and your opponent resists, you can change it into a reverse direction "forward" shoulder lock.

3rd, all locks will need to take your opponent down to the ground.

For example, when you apply a wrist lock, you need to move in toward your opponent until he collapses down to the ground (some people may like to pull in this situation but I believe pushing is better).

[MightyB]

Originally Posted by YouKnowWho

1st, you need to be able to change the locking direction that you want to teach.

For example, If you apply "downward" wrist lock and your opponent raise his elbow, you change your wrist lock into "horizontal". If he turns, you change it into "pulling toward you". The direction of your lock should be able to change according to your opponent's reaction.

2nd, Just like throw, all lock need to be earned in pair in opposit direction.

For example, if you try an elbow lock nand your opponent resists, you can change it into a reverse direction shoulder lock.

3rd, all lock will need to take your opponent down to the ground.

For example, when you apply a wrist lock, you need to move in toward to your opponent until he collapses down to the ground (some people may like to pull in this situation but I thingh pushing is better).

In all seriousness - I don't think people spend enough time learning proper wrist and grip control before they leap into trying chin na. We spend a lot of time just working on escaping a grip to establish a better grip on your opponent - this drill is done simply by having someone grab your wrist hard and while pulling and you have to be able to break their grip by regripping them. Once you have this mastered - you can master a couple of good chin na techs easily.

[taai gihk yahn]

Originally Posted by MightyB

They must not have the Realz Kung Fu!

but see, they do - Rik has a big sign on the front of his school that says:
"DA R3ALZ KUNG FU HERE!"

[MightyB]

and that brings up another point - the grab and pull. Nobody just grabs you, they grab to control - so they need to grab and pull or grab and push to give you better sense of what real chin na is like. And if it's a bar scuffle - they're grabbing to pull you into their punch!

[MightyB]

Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn

but see, they do - Rik has a big sign on the front of his school that says:
"DA R3ALZ KUNG FU HERE!"

And they hold their guns sideways for the kill shot!

[YouKnowWho]

There are 2 kind of students. One kind believes in you. The other kind does not. It's an art to convert any student from the 2nd kind into the 1st kind.

Old Chinese saying said, "A bad punch is still better than a good lock". You can teach all 40 locks in 3 - 4 hours. Your students will develop just enough confidence to get hurt in the street.

[Brule]

Originally Posted by MightyB

And they hold their guns sideways for the kill shot!

Pfft, obviously, you have been mislead......

[MightyB]

Originally Posted by YouKnowWho

Old Chinese saying said, "A bad punch is still better than a good lock". You can teach all 40 locks in 3 - 4 hours. Your students will develop just enough confidence to get hurt in the street.

My Sigung used to play this funny trick on us... he'd say "grab my wrist" so you'd grab it limply - Then he'd say "NO Grab my wrist harder", so you'd really leach on - then he'd punch you really hard with this big arse ring right in a pressure point and laugh when you let go because you were too preoccupied trying to grab him when he punched you.

[MightyB]

Originally Posted by Brule

Pfft, obviously, you have been mislead......

Ultra bad arse!!!

[-N-]

Originally Posted by Brule

You apply as much as it takes for the guy to feel the pain and not have any chance to resist it cause once you start getting too soft on the lock you know some jerk is gonna resist you and try to make you look like a fool.

I was working with a student on this in class.



I gave him enough so that he was locked up to the point of losing his balance, but I didn't make him fall.

When I eased up, he tried to sucker punch me, thinking he had a great counter.

I locked it back up again to control him, but he panicked and tried to get away. He stumbled, caught his foot somehow, and tore his knee ligaments.

[YouKnowWho]

Originally Posted by MightyB

In all seriousness - I don't think people spend enough time learning proper wrist and grip control before they leap into trying chin na. We spend a lot of time just working on escaping a grip to establish a better grip on your opponent - this drill is done simply by having someone grab your wrist hard and while pulling and you have to be able to break their grip by regripping them. Once you have this mastered - you can master a couple of good chin na techs easily.

I like to use my right hand to grab on my left arm (wrist, elbow, upper arm, ...). My left arm then try to break the grip. The nice thing about this is I can train it 24/7.