Sansik/Sansau v.s. Ip Man The Three Forms

[GlennR]

Originally Posted by imperialtaichi

I'll do more than that.

This is the entire movement list:

1.豬蹄拜佛手 － Buddha Palm
2.日字鳳眼捶 － Phoenix Eye Hammer
3.十字四門虎尾捶 － Tiger Tail Hammer
4.撐雞腳 － Pheasant Kick
5.龍掙珠（摽捶） － Dragon Pearl
6.小捻手 － Small Twirling Hands
7.大捻手 － Large Twirling Hands
8.三戰捶 － Three War Hammer
9.大耕手 － Plough Hands
10.大膀挂捶 － Bong and Back Hammer
11.疊掌 － Stack Palms
12.攔撐掌 － Obstruct and Prop
13.勾手切掌 － Hook and Slice
14.烏魚翻泥 － Fish Flip
15.切指擒橋 － Controlling Bridge
16.鶴膀手 － Crane Wing
17.騰馬摽指 － Evade and Finger Dart
18.雙龍出海 － Double Dragon
19.跪馬捶 － Bowing Horse Hammer
20.連環三掌（三板掌） － Three Palm Combo
21.八挂 － Pulling Eight
22..伏虎 － Subdue Tiger

Each movement has specific methods, if I have to expand them fully, I'll be writing a book. So I'll just summarise, section and categorise briefly.

1. Neigong, Yang explosive repulsive power.
2. Static spatial management.
3. Dynamic spatial management.
4. Neigong, related to legs.
5. A technique to counter the physical techniques in 1 to 4.

6 to 10: Power Generating methods relating to twisting and rotation.
11 to 15: "雙手練雙手用", double handed techniques.
16 to 20: Extended techniques

21: Extended spatial management, inverse to structure in 2.
22: Neigong, Yin soft penetrative controlling power.

The more "demonstrative" demonstration of the movement set by my training brother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QJHBkyB9fc

The more "everyday use" illustration by myself (one morning before I hop on sorry about my attire) This is a year old and I have made improvements since then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPkVTBGyCPM

Nice list and a great summary John

[imperialtaichi]

Originally Posted by anerlich

Except, apparently, many of your own claims.

Stop it Anerlich, you are pointing at the elephant in the room!

[guy b.]

Originally Posted by imperialtaichi

I'll do more than that.

This is the entire movement list:

1.豬蹄拜佛手 － Buddha Palm
2.日字鳳眼捶 － Phoenix Eye Hammer
3.十字四門虎尾捶 － Tiger Tail Hammer
4.撐雞腳 － Pheasant Kick
5.龍掙珠（摽捶） － Dragon Pearl
6.小捻手 － Small Twirling Hands
7.大捻手 － Large Twirling Hands
8.三戰捶 － Three War Hammer
9.大耕手 － Plough Hands
10.大膀挂捶 － Bong and Back Hammer
11.疊掌 － Stack Palms
12.攔撐掌 － Obstruct and Prop
13.勾手切掌 － Hook and Slice
14.烏魚翻泥 － Fish Flip
15.切指擒橋 － Controlling Bridge
16.鶴膀手 － Crane Wing
17.騰馬摽指 － Evade and Finger Dart
18.雙龍出海 － Double Dragon
19.跪馬捶 － Bowing Horse Hammer
20.連環三掌（三板掌） － Three Palm Combo
21.八挂 － Pulling Eight
22..伏虎 － Subdue Tiger

Each movement has specific methods, if I have to expand them fully, I'll be writing a book. So I'll just summarise, section and categorise briefly.

1. Neigong, Yang explosive repulsive power.
2. Static spatial management.
3. Dynamic spatial management.
4. Neigong, related to legs.
5. A technique to counter the physical techniques in 1 to 4.

6 to 10: Power Generating methods relating to twisting and rotation.
11 to 15: "雙手練雙手用", double handed techniques.
16 to 20: Extended techniques

21: Extended spatial management, inverse to structure in 2.
22: Neigong, Yin soft penetrative controlling power.

The more "demonstrative" demonstration of the movement set by my training brother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QJHBkyB9fc

The more "everyday use" illustration by myself (one morning before I hop on sorry about my attire) This is a year old and I have made improvements since then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPkVTBGyCPM

Very interesting, thanks for posting

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by imperialtaichi

Sam Bai Fut is very similar to KL22 first move, 豬蹄拜佛手 － Buddha Palm. You can do it fast or slow.

John,

In a tcma internal art point of view, kl22 first move is not the class of the wing Chun Sam bai fut of slt where Gm Fung Chun and many of the lineages such as yuen kei San
And snake crane wing chun share.

And Practicing fast or slow is not an indicate of neigong.



Very brief, the Sam bai fut is a neigong of WCK because

1. It activate the six medirians of arm.

2. It has the snake engine of the emei 12 zhuang. Including the five finger trace taiji, a unique finger and medirians activation which Jim Rosalendo has verify with the lineage holder of emei 12 zhuang. Gm Fu.

http://www.emeiqigong.us/lineage/lin...wei-zhong.html

3. It also develop two basic type Of WCK Jin. Namely, one Jin type is source from the white crane and one from emei 12 zhuang.


The kl22 first move is clearly not in this class.

So, i am saying , there is neigong in gulau WCK. But San Sik for combat application is for a different purpose.

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by imperialtaichi

I'll do more than that.

This is the entire movement list:

1.豬蹄拜佛手 － Buddha Palm
2.日字鳳眼捶 － Phoenix Eye Hammer
3.十字四門虎尾捶 － Tiger Tail Hammer
4.撐雞腳 － Pheasant Kick
5.龍掙珠（摽捶） － Dragon Pearl
6.小捻手 － Small Twirling Hands
7.大捻手 － Large Twirling Hands
8.三戰捶 － Three War Hammer
9.大耕手 － Plough Hands
10.大膀挂捶 － Bong and Back Hammer
11.疊掌 － Stack Palms
12.攔撐掌 － Obstruct and Prop
13.勾手切掌 － Hook and Slice
14.烏魚翻泥 － Fish Flip
15.切指擒橋 － Controlling Bridge
16.鶴膀手 － Crane Wing
17.騰馬摽指 － Evade and Finger Dart
18.雙龍出海 － Double Dragon
19.跪馬捶 － Bowing Horse Hammer
20.連環三掌（三板掌） － Three Palm Combo
21.八挂 － Pulling Eight
22..伏虎 － Subdue Tiger

Each movement has specific methods, if I have to expand them fully, I'll be writing a book. So I'll just summarise, section and categorise briefly.

1. Neigong, Yang explosive repulsive power.
2. Static spatial management.
3. Dynamic spatial management.
4. Neigong, related to legs.
5. A technique to counter the physical techniques in 1 to 4.

6 to 10: Power Generating methods relating to twisting and rotation.
11 to 15: "雙手練雙手用", double handed techniques.
16 to 20: Extended techniques

21: Extended spatial management, inverse to structure in 2.
22: Neigong, Yin soft penetrative controlling power.

The more "demonstrative" demonstration of the movement set by my training brother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QJHBkyB9fc

The more "everyday use" illustration by myself (one morning before I hop on sorry about my attire) This is a year old and I have made improvements since then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPkVTBGyCPM

From your videos of kl22
And
This lecture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiGsla45ISc

IMHO , the signature of your neigong engine in your body is Yang Taiji.

Thus, in this list above the neigong is Yang taiji Am I correct?

[imperialtaichi]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

John,

In a tcma internal art point of view, kl22 first move is not the class of the wing Chun Sam bai fut of slt where Gm Fung Chun and many of the lineages such as yuen kei San
And snake crane wing chun share.

And Practicing fast or slow is not an indicate of neigong.



Very brief, the Sam bai fut is a neigong of WCK because

1. It activate the six medirians of arm.

2. It has the snake engine of the emei 12 zhuang. Including the five finger trace taiji, a unique finger and medirians activation which Jim Rosalendo has verify with the lineage holder of emei 12 zhuang. Gm Fu.

http://www.emeiqigong.us/lineage/lin...wei-zhong.html

3. It also develop two basic type Of WCK Jin. Namely, one Jin type is source from the white crane and one from emei 12 zhuang.


The kl22 first move is clearly not in this class.

So, i am saying , there is neigong in gulau WCK. But San Sik for combat application is for a different purpose.

No point discussing with you Hendrik, because once again, you are "knowing" more about KL22 than I do. Believe whatever you want to believe then.

[imperialtaichi]

Originally Posted by imperialtaichi

No point discussing with you Hendrik, because once again, you are "knowing" more about KL22 than I do. Believe whatever you want to believe then.

Oh, and of course, you would "know" more about GM Fung than Jim too.

[imperialtaichi]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

From your videos of kl22
And
This lecture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiGsla45ISc

IMHO , the signature of your neigong engine in your body is Yang Taiji.

Thus, in this list above the neigong is Yang taiji Am I correct?

Most people can play both Golf and Tennis.

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by imperialtaichi

Most people can play both Golf and Tennis.

Body development signature always tell the truth whether it is a golf or tennis player.

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by imperialtaichi

No point discussing with you Hendrik, because once again, you are "knowing" more about KL22 than I do. Believe whatever you want to believe then.

Technical got nothing to do with believe.

Technical Analysis is an objective act.


I do agree there is no point to discuss because we walk a different path.

[imperialtaichi]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

Technical Analysis is an objective act.

it's not very objective when you think you know more about KL22 then a practitioner of KL22.

[Robinhood]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

Body development signature always tell the truth whether it is a golf or tennis player.

Henrick, what engine is this guy using ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Fbl...eature=related


Cheers

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by imperialtaichi

it's not very objective when you think you know more about KL22 then a practitioner of KL22.

That is where we are traveling different path.

Analysis is objective because. it based on data and not on who practice what or who think what.

From the data the kl22 a san Sik doesn't develop neigong as the Sam bai fut of WCK . From you kl22 video also confirm that.

May be you could share with us what is neigong for you.

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by Robinhood

Henrick, what engine is this guy using ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Fbl...eature=related


Cheers

Good question for everyone.

[Robinhood]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

Good question for everyone.

To me it is just "internal engine"


Cheers