Fanche

[mooyingmantis]

Lulu in Essentials #6 movement thirty-six:

轆 轆 捶 窜 跳 走 出 - lù lù chuí cuàn tiào zǒu chū - Lulu Strike, Scurrying Forth

This is reminiscent of the same technique in Essentials #5 mentioned above.

[iunojupiter]

wrong post dude?

[mooyingmantis]

Originally Posted by iunojupiter

wrong post dude?

Yeah, I think he forgot which thread he was in. His message to Andy should probably have been in the Wang Lang Project thread here:

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...ad.php?t=63393

Ninjaboy,
No offense taken. Sometimes my posts are general, sometimes they target a specific audience in a specific family of mantis.

Sometimes I post the Chinese characters so others can copy and paste them into a search engine and do their own research on Chinese sites.

Most families of mantis practice the fanche principles and the fanche forms of the different families are not that different from one another. HK Seven Star Xiaofanche is very similar to Mainland Seven Star Xiaofanche and Mainland Taiji Meihua Xiaofanche. So it is not like trying to compare Laiyang Beng Bu and Yantai Beng Bu. The frames of reference for fanche should be very close.

[ninjaboy]

doh!!! me smart like dumptruck...my most sincere apologies to all...

will remove and repost...

stupid ninja,

neil

[mooyingmantis]

Originally Posted by ninjaboy

doh!!! me smart like dumptruck...my most sincere apologies to all...

will remove and repost...

stupid ninja,

neil

LOL! No harm, no foul.

[mooyingmantis]

Originally Posted by Tainan Mantis

In Zhong Lufanche the retreating move that you refer to is called
"Golden Cicada Escapes it Shell"
I think it is not the same as One Elbow shields half the body.

One move is an escape and one move is a short range strike. Is hard to draw a parrallel between them.

I believe that Golden Cicada Escapes its Shell, while describing the technique that you do quite graphically, and poetically, might also be a reference to a character in some old martial art novel from dynasties past. Who escapes me at the moment. Have you heard of who is called Golden Cicada?

I want to say it was Tang Sanzang's name before he was incarnated as a humble monk. but I have to check. If it is Tang Sanzang then it probably refers to his enlightenment as a monk and realization that he was an immortal being at the end of the novel Xi You Ji

I found this at Wikipedia:

In China, the phrase 'to shed off the golden cicada skin'(金蝉脱壳, pinyin: Jīn Chán tuōké) is the poetic name of the tactic of using deception to escape danger, specifically of using decoys (leaving the old shell) to fool enemies. It became one of the 36 classic Chinese strategems. In the Chinese classic Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Diaochan also got her name from the sable (diāo) tails and jade decorations in the shape of cicadas (chán), which at the time adorned the hats of high-level officials. In the Chinese classic Journey to the West, the protagonist Priest of Tang was named the Golden Cicada; in this context the multiple shedding of shell of the cicada symbolizes the many stages of transformation required of a person before all illusions have been broken and one reaches enlightenment. This is also referred to in Japanese mythical ninja lore, as the technique of utsusemi (i.e., literally cicada), where ninjas would trick opponents into attacking a decoy.

Not always the best source for scholarship, but most of us are not really scholars anyways.

[Tainan Mantis]

Thanks for digging up that info.
I forgot about the 36 stratagems book. I should know, I have that one. The stratagem sounds like a good definition.
THis technique is also called shi mian mai fu-10 direction ambush.

[mooyingmantis]

Originally Posted by Tainan Mantis

Thanks for digging up that info.
I forgot about the 36 stratagems book. I should know, I have that one. The stratagem sounds like a good definition.
THis technique is also called shi mian mai fu-10 direction ambush.

Glad to help!

[mooyingmantis]

Tonight in class, I used our 双 匕 首 - shuāng bǐ shǒu - double daggers taolu to teach the principles of fanche and lulu.

Though they had learned the form previously, tonight I showed them how the empty-hand techniques of fanche and lulu were manifested in the long arm strikes of the double daggers.

It was fun watching the light bulbs switch on as they rediscovered the double daggers form and the principles of fanche and lulu began to sink in.

[mooyingmantis]

The Lulu and Fanche techniques can be found in the WHF Hong Kong Qixing Tanglangquan set 大 架 式 - dà jià shì - Big Frame Pattern:

Movement Thirty-five
Retreat Step, Three Lulu

Movement Thirty-nine
Advance Pattern, Big Fanche

Movement Forty
Retreat Step, Big Fanche

Here are the movements in another version of the form performed by Zhou Baofu at 00:38 - 00:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO4V5oTAdcY

[mooyingmantis]

Here is a short clip of my son, Logan, demonstrating the first fanchequan combination that we practice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elU4O...ature=youtu.be

[mooyingmantis]

Has anyone heard this origin story before?

http://www.rengongfuschool.com/kungfu/renfist.php

"Fanche Lulu Chui, of which the Ren Fist is a derivative, belongs to the Shaolin Tanglang (Praying mantis) system. Its forms are well-organized in structure for attack & defense with strikes and defense movements that are plain & practical. The forms are focused and built around the Lulu Fist & Mandarin Ducks Feet of the traditional styles of Northern Chinese Gongfu. Fanche Lulu Chui is a highly sought after style by educated practitioners of the Chinese Martial Arts.

Fanche was created by Master Xu Sheng Xiao, a famous Shaolin disciple during the early Qing Dynasty. After leaving Shaolin, Master Xu first traveled to Shandong province. Because Master Xu liked the local rural way of life, he stayed in Zhang Ge Zhuang Village of Laixi City (the current location of the Ren Shi Gong Fu Academy) and passed his Xiaofanche fist to Master Ren Zhao Hua, who then integrated the Shaolin style with his traditional Shandong Mantis training and formed RenShi Xiaofanche."

[mooyingmantis]

I found this archived from the Mantis Quarterly form:

"My name is Ilya Profatilov and I am new to this forum.

Here is some information on Fanche based on my research and from my perspective only.

Classical Meihua Tanglang Quan of Liang Xuexiang (1810-?) did not have Fanche forms.

Fanche forms appeared in some branches of Meihua Tanglang Quan since the late 1800s and/or early 1900s.

Today, there are generally two very different forms of Fanche that are practiced in a greater Meihua Tanglang Quan community.


1. Fanche of Taiji Tanglang Quan.

It is called Zhonglu Fanche (Middle Road of Turning Waterwheel). This form was brought into and heavily mixed with traditional Taiji Tanglang by GM Jiang Hualong and GM Song Zide. It is a quite rarely seen form and is practiced only in Taiji Tanglang of GM Jiang Hualong's lineage.

This from was developed from the earlier Zhonglu Fanche taught to Jiang Hualong and Song Zide by their sworn brother and a later disciple of Jiang — Li Danbai. Li Danbai learned it in Hebei Province and was very skillful in it. Most of the techniques of Zhonglu Fanche are very different from Haojia TLQ Xiao Fanche (see later). Some of these techniques are Zouma Fanche, Koushou Fanche, Liushou Fanche, Wushou Fanche, Zuoyou Fanche, Jinchan Tuoke, etc.


2. Fanche of Taiji Meihua Tanglang Quan also known as Haojia Tanglang.

This form is called Xiao Fanche (Small Turning Waterwheel) and is the most common Fanche form today in a greater Meihua Tanglang Quan community. Xiao Fanche was taught by GM Hao Lianru (1865-1914) and his sons, Hao Henglu, Hao Hengxin, Hao Hengpo, Hao Hengxiang and Hao Hengyi. It has no or very little relations to Taiji Tanglang’s Zhonglu Fanche. Eventually, Da Fanche (Big) and Zhong (Middle) were developed out the “Small” Fanche. Xiao Fanche and its variations can be found in Haojia Tanglang, Babu Tanglang, Jingshou Tanglang, Shuaishou Tanglang, etc."

[Tainan Mantis]

Originally Posted by mooyingmantis

Fanche was created by Master Xu Sheng Xiao, a famous Shaolin disciple during the early Qing Dynasty.

Is the idea that Xu Shengxiao supposed to be Sheng Xiao dao ren? That seems unlikely since it does not follow Chinese nameing conventions. I am not an expert on the custom, but generally your ming and your zi or hao differnt names that you give yourself or are given to you at different stages of your life do not match, they are different.
For example the Shoushan of Cui Shoushan has the zi of Pengnian.

The story is very interesting. I would like to see the form they have.

Ilya's research on Zhonglu Fanche matches my own.

[mooyingmantis]

Here is a video I made of four of the drills we practice at my school that demonstrate the Fanche principles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqn-3...ature=youtu.be

No, my form is not perfect. I am only about four months past my open heart surgery and my left arm still has very little strength and mobility. But I think you will still get the idea of the drills.

The opening clip is my son, Logan, demonstrating the first drill a few months ago.