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    Sherlock Holmes

    elementary...

    Sherlock Holmes with a Kick
    11-Aug-2008
    Written by: Dean Stattmann

    This Sherlock will have more than a magnifying glass up his sleeve.

    With Robert Downey, Jr. fans still distracted by the actor’s exhilarating portrayal of Iron Man, let alone his hilarious role as Kirk Lazarus in Ben Stiller’s summer comedy, Tropic Thunder, the less than malleable superhero has something a little different in store.

    The actor’s current project (and by no means the only one) is a revival of the world’s most famous fictional detective, Sherlock Holmes. But while most people will claim to have the good Sherlock all figured out, Downey’s character will not be so elementary.

    “It will be director Guy Ritchie's take on Sherlock Holmes,” he told the Chicago Sun-Times. “It's a contemporary version of a classic tale. But we're not telling one of the stories from the books.”

    That’s right. And you know what contemporary version means: action, action, action . . . and probably some sex.

    “The cool thing about Sherlock is he's a very skilled martial artist,” Downey said. “So it's not just about his deductions. This movie will also be a very action-packed version of Sherlock Holmes.”

    Luckily for us, action is Downey’s recently adopted middle name, and the star is more than up to the task of playing an intellectual ninja. “I'm always training. I'm big into martial arts,” he told the Sun-Times. “We're putting together a team of people to do something more transcendent with the fighting for the movie.”

    “I love bare knuckled boxing,” he continued. “It's real balls to the walls brutal stuff. Guy is a martial artist and I'm a martial arts student. So you'll get all the Sherlock stuff, but hopefully much more fun.”
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    Holmes having martial arts training is referenced in at least one of Conan Doyle's stories.

    Unfortunately I forget which story and which martial art.
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    He said it was "Baritsu" (sic), probably meant to refer to the Bartitsu derived from JJJ.

    It was in that story after his staged plunge to death in the waterfall.
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    That's the story!

    Thanks!
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    Elemantary, my dear Watson

    One of my favorite reads. I remember taking on the entire volume at one time. But that was some time ago. I still have a limited edition copy that I put away somewhere. Anyhow, great read.

    I remember reading about the waterfall incident but not what he studied. He knew something...although not known much for his physicality, I don't doubt that it was always a trump card. He

    What got me interested in the first place was Basil Rathbone's portrayal. I liked his series of SH the best out of the others. The audio tapes of his radio show were fun to listen to when I was younger (yeah tapes).

    I find that a lot of people don't appreciate the good ole' B & W movies anymore...

    I never doubted Downey Jr's acting ability, even though he was going through some rough patches in his personal life. It hard to tell how things will turn out.
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    They keep playing up the martial arts angle

    Do you think there will be wire work and CGI fights?
    Early look: Downey/Law are elementary to new 'Sherlock'
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    By Susan Wloszczyna, USA TODAY

    BROOKLYN, N.Y. — The renowned London residence at 221B Baker Street has temporarily relocated to the Marcy Avenue Armory.

    On a sound stage inside the cavernous building, time travels back to 1891 as two men in Victorian garb occupy a second-floor flat. Strewn about is all manner of masculine-type clutter — investigative tools, dusty books, souvenirs from exotic lands, anatomical drawings, rotten apple cores, crushed walnut shells, neglected plants and preserved animals parts.

    MORE: Get clued in on Downey's shabbier Sherlock

    Jude Law's dapper Dr. John H. Watson, preparing to leave both his bachelor and sleuthing days behind, packs up his belongings in the tidier portion of the apartment. Robert Downey Jr.'s wiry Sherlock Holmes, deeply perturbed by his friend's pending departure after a decade together as crime-fighting colleagues, answers a knock at the door.

    Suddenly, a recently deceased body is dropped on a table in the middle of the room by two constables.

    Watson: "Who is he?"

    Holmes: "That's my new roommate."

    You won't find that chummy exchange in any of Arthur Conan Doyle's exploits of the great detective. Nor does it lurk in the script for Sherlock Holmes, the Dec. 25 release that marks the first major big-screen adaptation of the private eye's adventures since Michael Caine's comical sham of a Sherlock in 1988's Without a Clue.

    Downey, 44, and Law, 36, jazzed up the dialogue on the spot, with an assist from director/writer Guy Ritchie, the artist formerly known as Madonna's husband and a specialist in nimbly paced gangster capers (1998's Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, 2000's Snatch, last year's RocknRolla) that rely heavily upon male interaction and relentless cursing.

    The language has been tamed for this PG-13 outing. But manly bonding between bohemian Holmes and bourgeois Watson is at the core of the story. Trendy types might even describe it as a "bromance," especially when Downey's detective bristles at the very thought of his friend's nuptials coming between them. But the relationship takes its cues from a long line of what used to be known simply as buddy films.

    "There are many duos we wanted to draw from," Law says. "Something as eccentric as The Odd Couple to Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Withnail and I and Laurel and Hardy. It's the kind of friendship you can only have with someone of the same sex, a person you adore but who infuriates you."

    A Holmes fan at the helm

    After 73 days of shooting what Warner Bros. hopes is not only a holiday blockbuster but the launch of a franchise, the actors are comfortable enough in their personas that improvising in character is a breeze. "Initially, we were just infusing the dialogue with Doyle-isms," says Downey, who dons a jaunty fedora and oft-disheveled attire in a break from more conservative portraits of the gumshoe. Law, a rather trim Watson who is more of a brawler than a bumbler, kept a notebook handy with scribbled phrases from the original tales just in case.

    "Now we tend to speak a little more on his behalf," Downey says, referring to Sherlock's inventor. "Truth be told, we have been working our tokheses off. We've been at it for a long, long, long time."

    Yet the atmosphere is decidedly easygoing. Between takes, the star cracks jokes and affectionately hugs wife Susan, a producer on the film. Meanwhile, Mark Strong, the strikingly tall Ritchie regular who plays a satanic aristocrat of a villain named Lord Blackwood, strides by while incongruously toting a Bliss Spa bag.

    "It's such a relaxed set, even if it's at the tail end of the shoot," Downey observes. Adding to the calm is fair-haired and boyish Ritchie, 40, as he strums his acoustic guitar like a Zen troubadour while waiting for shooting to resume.

    If Ritchie is feeling under the gun as he oversees his first big-budget period piece while transitioning from laddish art-house romps to mainstream crowd-pleasers, there are no clues to support it.

    Says Strong, who was in Ritchie's Revolver and RocknRolla: "He is exactly the same as he was on his last two movies. You only panic if you don't know what you are supposed to be doing."

    Did Ritchie consider that he might be asking for trouble by messing with a literary icon?

    "I didn't really think of the downside as much as I thought about the upside," the filmmaker says. "I was a Holmes fan when I was a child. They are the first stories I remember. I also liked the approach the studio was coming at. To me, it was the perfect segue from small independent films to something more ambitious and quintessentially English. So I've got my cake and I can eat it."

    Not that it hasn't been a challenge for cast and crew both here and in England as they attempt to drag a well-etched 19th-century archetype, personified by a suave if snooty Basil Rathbone in 14 films in the '30s and '40s, into the 21st century for an action-hero makeover.

    "Sherlock was perceived as stuffy and old-fashioned," says Lionel Wigram, a producer on the Harry Potter series who initiated the revival about a decade ago. "I thought the TV ones (including, most recently, those starring Jeremy Brett and Rupert Everett) were wonderful, but in a Masterpiece Theatre kind of way. It felt like there was a great opportunity to do something bigger than that."

    To persuade those who "did not get it," Wigram wrote a graphic novel and had an artist depict Sherlock in comic-book form. The image that convinced the studio suits? The sleuth, scruffy and stubbly, with a whip in one hand and a sword in the other.

    "We are trying to make a fun adventure movie," he says. "My favorites are the Bond films. Raiders of the Lost Ark. I want to make a movie like that."

    Familiarity does breed box office. "The word of the day is 'branding,' " says Hollywood mogul Joel Silver, another of the film's producers and a force behind the Die Hard and Matrix series. "We are always looking for branded ideas. Audiences are interested in seeing something they know."

    But with a difference, too. This Holmes is as brainy as ever but is a bruiser as well. Bare-fisted boxing, sword fighting and a mastery of martial arts have been added to his arsenal of weapons.
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    continued...

    ...from above
    Upholding the traditions

    Many of the Holmesian conventions remain, such as Sherlock's keen eye for case-cracking details and a playful fondness for disguises. He refrains from indulging in cocaine — a nod to the family-friendly rating — but still fiddles with the violin to fill the void between jobs. But any whiff of parlor-room gentility is blown away by flashily edited fisticuffs and dangerous derring-do in grungy sewers, a pig slaughterhouse and atop Tower Bridge — a large portion of which is replicated on a green-screen-shrouded set around the corner.

    Tradition is also upheld. There is a mystery afoot, naturally, as Strong's industrialist, who holds sway over a cult of dark-arts practitioners and claims to possess supernatural powers, is linked to a series of murders. While Blackwood is an invention based on real-life occultist Aleister Crowley, Professor Moriarty — Sherlock's most notorious foe — puts in a fleeting appearance. As for a love interest, Rachel McAdams proves to be a tempting distraction as the deceptive Irene Adler, who outwitted the private eye in Conan Doyle's A Scandal in Bohemia and is the lone woman to ever earn his admiration.

    But the notion of an athletic Sherlock engaged in the martial arts — a skill that Conan Doyle himself mentions in The Adventure of the Empty House— ignited a powder keg of early negativity, especially in British tabloids and online outlets. "Nunchuk Holmes" is what Guardian blogger Marina Hyde derisively dubbed the film. The director himself came in for a few hits. An item on the website Den of Geek bore the headline, "Guy Ritchie gets his mockney claws into Sherlock Holmes. Be afraid."

    Law, who pored through Conan Doyle's writings in preparation for his role, points out that many so-called liberties in the script merely are expansions on what is alluded to in the original stories.

    "The physicality, the bare-knuckle fighting, the martial arts are all hinted at in the books," he says. "We just hold a magnifying glass over them. A word that Conan Doyle uses an awful lot is 'apprehended.' As in, 'Holmes and Watson apprehend the villain.' We get to show the apprehension."

    However, the naysaying didn't stop once the cameras rolled last fall. The news media began to label the production as cursed after a series of unfortunate incidents, including Ritchie's divorce from his pop-star wife of eight years, Downey's injuries during a fight scene that required six stitches and an exploding tanker truck.

    Most potentially damaging, however, was a claim made in mid-February by U.K. tabloid The Sun that the studio, dissatisfied by an early cut, demanded that Ritchie redo five weeks of filming. Warner Bros. swiftly put out a statement denying the rumor. "The re-shoots were pure fiction," says Silver. "It was great to see this story come out while we were actually still shooting the movie. To read this incredible account was funny to me."

    But pre-opening buzz has been on the upswing ever since Downey introduced footage that was warmly received by theater owners at the ShoWest convention in March. The first trailer, which will accompany Terminator Salvation when it opens May 21, aims to put lingering doubts to rest.

    Wigram thinks jealousy might be at the root of the initial bad-mouthing. "Guy is a great filmmaker," he says. "He reinvented a whole genre, the gangster genre. That is a great achievement. I used to pitch this as a Guy Ritchie version of a Sherlock Holmes movie. There was never any question that he would be an absolutely perfect fit for it."

    Besides, he adds, "in terms of what they say about him, if you are married to Madonna, you're bound to get a certain amount of that. It's absurd to mock his talent. "

    Time will tell if Sherlock Holmes becomes a new standard for resurrecting old heroes. Already, there is talk of how Russell Crowe's tights-free Robin Hood will be given a Gladiator injection of macho grit — and Strong will play an evil henchman.

    Meanwhile, Ritchie takes a moment to reflect while set builders hammer away nearby. "There is one more week, but I'm in no rush to end," he says. "I am enjoying it. I like coming to work."

    Yet he is also eager for Sherlock Holmes to open and show audiences another side of his talents. Told that people probably want to see him do something different, he says with a smile, "So do I."
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    had alot of friends work on this film. there was some wire work, but they are going for a more brutal stylized type of fighting.alot of accidents on that set in the fights. **** even downey caught one to the grill!!!its like a weird mix of wing chun and BJJ

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    Robert Downey Jr. Wing Chun

    Robert Downey Jr. Has a new movie called Sherlock Holmes. In one of the fight scenes you can see him utilizing a man sau. Has any body saw any other movies with Downey utilizing WC?

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    His Sifu is my WC brother Eric Oram in L.A.
    In Fact Sifu Oram went with Downey to England for the filming of the Sherlock Holmes movie. I have clips of Downey doing WC but I can't recall him doing it in a movie.
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    The fictional Sherlock Holmes in the books was a skilled boxer, and having him do WC would be both anachronistic and varying from the original. Why the director might allow Downey to add some personal flair like this to a movie would be a mystery.

    Still, worse and stupider things have been done to good stories by Hollywood.
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    Holmes' martial art in the books was Baritsu, which many think is Bartitsu.

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    There have been several movie stars that have held high rankings in the martial arts. Peter Lory, of Mr. Moto fame. The little bug eyed fellow with the nasal twang to his speach. He held a 7th level black belt in Japanese Jujitsu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshiyahu View Post
    Robert Downey Jr. Has a new movie called Sherlock Holmes. In one of the fight scenes you can see him utilizing a man sau. Has any body saw any other movies with Downey utilizing WC?
    in Tropic Thunder, he gives the director a vertical punch to the chest....LOL

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