Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[Judge Pen]

Originally Posted by kungfujunky

question for any old timers

i am looking for video of gmt doing pa kua so i can match it to what i was taught

anyone able to help out?

The old KET has some classical pa kua on it, but I don't think its enough to be reference quality.

[Baqualin]

Originally Posted by Shaolin Wookie

Has anyone seen any of the Golden Snake yet? I heard some of you guys saw a little of it....how would you describe it?

The second half of the Yin side of meteor fist is the precursor to the Golden Snake system......it's pretty much all golden snake postures. It's my favorite part of Meteor Fist.....really cool.
BQ

[Shaolin Wookie]

Originally Posted by Judge Pen

The old KET has some classical pa kua on it, but I don't think its enough to be reference quality.

KET isn't releasing any of that old material, because it's too old and they don't have it archived anymore......LOL.......I asked 'em awhile back, b/c I think the seminars I've received on DVD are pretty good and am looking for more.

[Judge Pen]

Originally Posted by Shaolin Wookie

KET isn't releasing any of that old material, because it's too old and they don't have it archived anymore......LOL.......I asked 'em awhile back, b/c I think the seminars I've received on DVD are pretty good and am looking for more.

It's been about 5 years since I got a copy from them. PM me.

[mkriii]

I wonder if the "Golden Snake" form that you SD guys do is similiar to the "Golden Bamboo Viper" snake form that is from the Ng Family Style Kung Fu (Grandmaster John Wing Loc Ng)? Why do they call it Golden, does anyone know?

[Baqualin]

Originally Posted by kungfujunky

question for any old timers

i am looking for video of gmt doing pa kua so i can match it to what i was taught

anyone able to help out?

Don't you guys have access to videos through your school (mates)
BQ

[tattooedmonk]

Originally Posted by Judge Pen

It's been about 5 years since I got a copy from them. PM me.

I called a couple of weeks back and was told the same thing. I wish I could get a hold of a copy of that series again.My tapes are messed up . I believe it was MES and EMBL doing the Bagua set, correct?? I loved that series. Master Hiang's lesson on the nunchucku was classic. Do you remember that one?

[kungfujunky]

i have a copy of the old ket vids

cool stuff

and out west here we never got videos of gmt doing any of the lower black belt material. only upper level stuff at the seminars

[Shaolin Wookie]

How do you guys (or even do you at all) apply the "twist hit" we use in our short forms, etc.?

I do them in my own way, as an angular attack when shifting weight, cutting angles, or side stepping onto one leg and rocking forward to close distance, doing so off of a strong overhand punch, or as the "two" of a one-two combo beginng with the back hand rather than lead (the straight back-hand punch forces them to react linearly, while the rocking forward gives momentum to the lead's twist-hit and allows it to come from outside the opponent's field of vision). Generally, I have to admit, I use them as a more angular attack rather than as a linear strike. It comes from the outside and a downward angle, and is sometimes hard for people to react to--at least that's my experience with it. Good for the side of the head, ear, and nose if they're about your height. I suppose (although I generally avoid the neck in sparring) it would be good for catching hte side of the neck/throat.

I've always liked this punch/strike, but I don't see it used much inside/outside our system.

How do you guys apply that strike, and how do you vary it? I've always assumed it was, in the form, like hammer-fisting the back of an opponent's head/neck if you've landed a good shot to their gut with a kick, or, if you're holding onto their opposite arm as you kick them in the gut, pushing out with the kick to lower their torso/head and landing a solid shot to the back/side of the head.

It's a really versatile strike with a lot of potential, and has a quality of wildness that is always good for a solid shot.

[tattooedmonk]

Originally Posted by Shaolin Wookie

How do you guys (or even do you at all) apply the "twist hit" we use in our short forms, etc.?

I do them in my own way, as an angular attack when shifting weight, cutting angles, or side stepping onto one leg and rocking forward to close distance, doing so off of a strong overhand punch, or as the "two" of a one-two combo beginng with the back hand rather than lead (the straight back-hand punch forces them to react linearly, while the rocking forward gives momentum to the lead's twist-hit and allows it to come from outside the opponent's field of vision). Generally, I have to admit, I use them as a more angular attack rather than as a linear strike. It comes from the outside and a downward angle, and is sometimes hard for people to react to--at least that's my experience with it. Good for the side of the head, ear, and nose if they're about your height. I suppose (although I generally avoid the neck in sparring) it would be good for catching hte side of the neck/throat.

I've always liked this punch/strike, but I don't see it used much inside/outside our system.

How do you guys apply that strike, and how do you vary it? I've always assumed it was, in the form, like hammer-fisting the back of an opponent's head/neck if you've landed a good shot to their gut with a kick, or, if you're holding onto their opposite arm as you kick them in the gut, pushing out with the kick to lower their torso/head and landing a solid shot to the back/side of the head.

It's a really versatile strike with a lot of potential, and has a quality of wildness that is always good for a solid shot.

I agree with all your definitions, explanation and apps.

It is very effect , natural yet seems like an unorthodox technique.

Using it at various distances is great. The torso and head are naturally targets . You can do it at either the wrist , elbow or the shoulder, thats only applying it to arms , try using it on legs/ kicks. . I believe it utilizes economy of motion and biomechanics perfectly to achieve the desired result.

It is the bread and butter of what we do!!!

I wonder how it would work against a grappler? Have you tried to use it for grappling yet?

[BM2]

Are y'all talking about the backfist?

[Shaolin Wookie]

No, the kind-of wild, downward, inside-slashing twisting-knuckle hit. I think some schools practice it more like a downward striking backfist from what I've seen, but then I'd say they were doing it retarded, LOL....

If you work it off the side step or a circling movement, rising up on one leg, you can get a sweet angle and strike oh so quick. The way I tend to use it, it almost looks like a hammerfisting motion, but for the angle. You can do it in any stance really--sparring, bow, anything.....depending on how you're ranging it. It just takes too long from those rooted stances if you're moving forward. But against advancing, hard-punching opponents that are dishing to your dome, it's a nice counter strike to get them off their path to your brain.

I get criticized sometimes by the "outside looping attacks never work" kind of cats that tend to make the rounds in kung fu schools (since only straight line attacks ever work....LOL), including SD, but don't seem to block those outside looping attacks very well...LOL.....ironic, eh?

As long as you keep the elbow underneath the fist and bring it across the chest in conjunction with the fist, it covers the centerline as well to protect counter punches. But a follow-through is almost warranted in this case. (If you're far enough off line and have circled away from the lead hand to take away its sting).

[BM2]

Youtube it ?

[kungfujunky]

lohan #2

block punch block down block punch twist hit kick

[Shaolin Wookie]

Originally Posted by BM2

Youtube it ?

Sorry, I don't have that technology. I don't have vid capture on my computer so I can't even get my digital recorder to work with it.

I'll try to describe it better, since I know you have some SD left in you whether you like it or not....LOL...jk...

For the sake of simplicity, stand in a front stance or a normal fighting stance with the right side forward, and throw your rear hand while you protect with your right (you can either high block, or, as I would recommend, draw it up to protect your chin and no further [elbow kind of ****ed out to the side]), then follow on that punch with your forward hand (currently at your chin) by dropping your elbow and throwing it forward like you're about to hammerfist his head, only rotate as you strike out so you hit with the knuckles. You've really got to twist your torso, and you can stomp forward to get your weight behind it, like you're tying to crack his skull with a hammer. If you're rotating to the inside, you'll get a shot at his face/head, even if he ducks or bobs his head. The strike covers too much range to dodge completely, unless of course, you're fighting a really good fighter.....but even then....

I add pure brawn to the strike, but then, I'm not a delicate "ward off" kind of guy. Sometimes pure brawn is the answer...LOL...

If you're rotating off of his lead hand (if he's standing right side forward, you circle to your right to stay off of his jab and watch for his rear hand....I wouldn't recommend that if he's right handed and in a left-forward stance, as you can prob. take his left since it won't have as much meat on it, when I would then recommend moving to the outside and switching to hte one-legged stance, which would force his power hand to come across his body at an angle tought to generate power from, and you'll have hit him stronlgy by then anyways.)...well, if you're rotating off of his lead hand to the inside and he blocks with his lead hand, you've got a good shot if you make it quick enough, or wide enough. Sometimes you can really cut the line if your elbow catchis his lead arm, which leaves him wide open. Generally, an opponent extends too much for the deflection, even if it's a slap, which allows for that looping strike.

But then, I'm no pro. But if you throw this tech. on a bag with both hands and familiarize yourself with how to throw it on moving partners, it's a good power strike and can get you out of a jam.

You can chain it off of a jab with the same hand, since it doesn't require a chamber, just a forward step/stomp to generate momentum. Use at your own risk, though, as you'll probably get hit--but then, it's like triage. You can take that hit because yours is going to hit with a lot more power.

I would never, ever lead with it, unless fighting a timid fighter. Also, you can't do it like you do it in the short forms, but then, I think the short forms show it in its correct context, and the raised leg (or kick) challenges you to collapse your center crosswise to get that great one-legged power strike....you just have to modify it to reality....but then, that goes with everything.