Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[kwaichang]

SW since you work for the Gov or Big brother I will forgive you for being brain washed. But I will disregard any of your ststements about SD since you have trained in it for only 2 years. Per your references. . KC

[kwaichang]

Shaolin Temples and their Associated Fighting Systems

天下武功出少林

This is from the web site posted by SS it does not say from the temples does it ??? . KC

[Shaolin Wookie]

Originally Posted by kwaichang

You seem to be an athiest I am not going to debate religion with you as you are of course a logic based person and want "proof".

True, I want proof. I want proof that my beef isn't rat meat, because rat meat is gross and can contain diseases; I want proof that it's been inspected closely, so I don't catch E. Coli and die. I want proof because if I don't, I am liable to be the unwitting tool of manipulative minds, who are willing to exploit me.

And yes, I am a logic-based person, b/c logic is the basis of human understanding. It's why, for instance, I don't jump into lions' dens to pet the pretty lion cubs when the lioness is growling at me, showing me her pretty teeth, which I want to brush because she has some blood on them, and could use a floss because of hte brain fragments stuck into her teeth, which got there when my best bud jumped into the lion's den a couple minutes ahead of me and called out, as he vaulted the railing: "Hey, those cubs are cute! I'm going to go pet one!"

Originally Posted by kwaichang

I dont have time for that but you seem to bash and get on your anti religion soap box often. However because I celebrate Christs BDay on Dec 25th does not mean I believe or practice the other. And what does this have to do with Martial Arts you didnt even address my post prior to that one.

I'm asking you to draw a parallel. Christ, I didn't think I'd have to explicitly state that.

Here I've drafted an argument of principle. I'm appealing to principle, because it's something that appeals to us. If we take a stance on an issue b/c of principle, and conclude on a result because of that principle, and then we take a stance on anotehr issue with that same principle in mind, and then completely reverse our decision because it was convenient for us----that's HYPOCRISY!

I know religion is a touchy issue. That's why I used the principle in that context. It will force from you your inmost thought, and display your hypocrisy or your honesty, or at least force you to re-evaluate the principle of logic you have displayed, which you haven't.

I was being a little more subtle, but if you want me to be an ******* about it, I will be an ******* about it.

See, KC: you're not presenting anything but bias, personal convenience, and unthinking adherence to one source of information.

Those aren't the breeding grounds of intelligent discourse, if you catch my drift.

Originally Posted by kwaichang

I would believe GMT long before you or these other jokers on here when he says something with dates etc I research it and other than a date like 1240 was 1243 there are no faul;t in what he says historically. KC

That's not an issue.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Originally Posted by kwaichang

SW since you work for the Gov or Big brother I will forgive you for being brain washed. But I will disregard any of your ststements about SD since you have trained in it for only 2 years. Per your references. . KC

I also work for UPS FReight Monday - Friday as a dockworker (driving a forklift, and stacking heavy **** 9 hours a day). I'm also a graduate student at Georgia State University, and a part-time communications officer (not quite brainwashing material) with the GBI. Jobs pay for school; and they give me the hours I need to study and attend classes, and pay for rent. I'd be a male stripper, if the hours/pay were good. But I don't like speedos and g-strings either. And I'm allergic to gay stuff.

[Yao Sing]

Originally Posted by kwaichang

The Shaolin taught today Wah Lum for example traces its lineage to the Shaolin Temple.

Originally Posted by kwaichang

It amazes me how so many can come on here and speak with so much authority about what they know so little about.

That second quote is funny following the first one.

Correction: Wah Lum is not Shaolin. Wah Lum does not trace it's lineage back to the Shaolin Temple, it traces back to the Hualin Temple. It's unknown AFAIK what connection, if any, it had to Shaolin. There is no Shaolin in the Wah Lum system.

The Tan Tui in Wah Lum comes from the family style of Lee Kwan Shan and may or may not have come from Shaolin. Unfortunately not a whole lot of the history is known.

[kwaichang]

Dont talk principle to me when you say this.

I'd probably have left it be on intellectual grounds and gone elsewhere to study something else. LOL.....not that it's that big a deal......but sometimes it is, because of the principle. But I'm willing to compromise, to get what I want.

People who compromise to get what they want and arent willing to take the test of fire have little principle. It takes no logic to not pet a cub when your lover , is that what you meant // ?? just got eaten by a lion. KC Some things defy Logic. Explain True Love or true Dedication

[kwaichang]

Yao Sing , not what I was told by a practioner at the Orlando School when I met Chan Poi ??

Master Pui Chan introduced the Wah Lum System to the United States and is currently the only master in the U.S. teaching this system. He is the 6th generation successor of the Northern Praying Mantis System and 33rd generation successor of the Shaolin Temple, China. In addition to being a disciple of Grandmaster Lee Kwan Shan, he has studied under several masters of the style. Having given many exciting demonstrations throughout the United States, appearing on television, this is from his web site. KC

[Yao Sing]

Originally Posted by kwaichang

If it was taught at the Shaolin Temple then it is SHAOLIN. It may not be from the temple but few things were from the temple except CHAN which came from India KC

If CHAN came from India then it didn't come from Shaolin. Shaolin absorbed a lot of arts but they originated elsewhere. Because of that you can't say a certain style came from Shaolin unless you have direct links.

The Tan Tui in Wah Lum is a good example. Since it was LKS's family style it could have taken a path that did not invovle Shaolin at all.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Originally Posted by kwaichang

Yao Sing , not what I was told by a practioner at the Orlando School when I met Chan Poi ?? KC

KC, I'm rubbing my temples and getting a headache.

It's hearsay, dude. It's not a blanket statement that covers the Wah Lum community. It's one dude's opinion, probably based on what someone told him, so in that case, it's hearsay compounded by hearsay.

[kwaichang]

See last post by me about Wah Lum ???? why would Chan Poi include the 33rd gen thing HUmmmmmm could it be Marketing or perhaps OH NO A LIE surely not. KC

[kwaichang]

Thank you Yao you proved my point. THank You KC
Now put posts last 2 pages togethor Wah Lum History From or related to Shaolin . KC Its all Semantics Like fixed or repaired if it is repaired its not fixed.

[Yao Sing]

Originally Posted by kwaichang

Yao Sing , not what I was told by a practioner at the Orlando School when I met Chan Poi ??

Master Pui Chan introduced the Wah Lum System to the United States and is currently the only master in the U.S. teaching this system. He is the 6th generation successor of the Northern Praying Mantis System and 33rd generation successor of the Shaolin Temple, China. In addition to being a disciple of Grandmaster Lee Kwan Shan, he has studied under several masters of the style. Having given many exciting demonstrations throughout the United States, appearing on television, this is from his web site. KC

I was going to address that in my post figuring it would come up but I didn't. I don't know who told you there was a direct link to Shaolin but I never saw or heard that claim in the 15 years I spent with Master Chan Pui at the Temple in Orlando. I believe the 33rd generation successor of the Shaolin Temple is more of an honorary title for his dedication to the Chinese Martial Arts.

He was 'evaluated' at Shaolin by the monks and based on his knowledge and abilities in CMA was awarded that 'title'. I could be wrong but like I said I haven't seen or heard any claims of direct lineage to Shaolin and there are no claims of teaching Shaolin in the Wah Lum system.

[Yao Sing]

Originally Posted by kwaichang

See last post by me about Wah Lum ???? why would Chan Poi include the 33rd gen thing HUmmmmmm could it be Marketing or perhaps OH NO A LIE surely not. KC

It's not a lie and yes it's good marketing since almost everyone has heard of Shaolin Temple. So, why would he include it? Probably because it's true and generates students.

If you listed your accomplishments would you neglect to add something as impressive as that?

Originally Posted by kwaichang

Thank you Yao you proved my point. THank You KC
Now put posts last 2 pages togethor Wah Lum History From or related to Shaolin . KC Its all Semantics Like fixed or repaired if it is repaired its not fixed.

????? Lost me a bit there but if I proved your point then great. My intent was to correct you on the claim that Wah Lum traces it's lineage back to Shaolin.

Wah Lum lineages goes Chan Pui -> Lee Kwan Shan -> Wah Lum Temple Abbot Ching Yeung on the Mantis side and LKS's family on the Tan Tui side. There is no direct link to anyone on either side before that so there are no known links to Shaolin.

[kwaichang]

Then address the reason for including it on his web page is it Marketing then ??? And if so that would group him in the same group as GMT according to the posts I have read on this forum . You know a Liar and fraud and all that ???? KC
You said the history is not well known and it is on his web site and SS said its all Hearsay I have to agree so please answer the above question.

[Yao Sing]

What is your problem? Wah Lum IS NOT Shaolin even though the GM of the system was awarded the title of 33rd generation successor of Shaolin. Why do you have such a problem with that? Is it because it doesn't fit in with your warped view.

Yes it's true Chan Pui is a 33rd generation successor to Shaolin and no Wah Lum is not Shaolin or teaches Shaolin.

Since Shaolin has been trying to rebuild it's martial art image you could say it's a marketing deal for Shaolin to utilize Master Chan's high profile in the US. It's mutually beneficial.