Bung Bu Comparisons (Seven Star, CCK TJPM, TJPM)

[mooyingmantis]

Though this thread was started three years ago, I thought what I am about to add is most relevant here.

Xiaoyao (Will) has added the quanpu of the Cui Shoushan version (TJTLQ) of Beng Bu here:

http://www.monkeystealspeach.co.uk/q...-tang-lang.php

Great information Will!

[alextse4]

Though this thread was started three years ago, I thought what I am about to add is most relevant here.

Xiaoyao (Will) has added the quanpu of the Cui Shoushan version (TJTLQ) of Beng Bu here:

http://www.monkeystealspeach.co.uk/q...-tang-lang.php

Great information Will!

Just give you all the original quanpu of the Cui Shoushan version (TJTLQ) of Beng Bu in his manuscript.

[mooyingmantis]

Just give you all the original quanpu of the Cui Shoushan version (TJTLQ) of Beng Bu in his manuscript.

Alex,

Excellent! Thank you for that!

Any thoughts on who you believe created this form?

[xiao yao]

Alex, where did you get this quanpu? The opening movements are different to the way I was taught. After the bi zhou, your quan pu says "zuo you er yin yang" whereas it should be "chan long hu yan"

[mooyingmantis]

Alex, where did you get this quanpu? The opening movements are different to the way I was taught. After the bi zhou, your quan pu says "zuo you er yin yang" whereas it should be "chan long hu yan"

The quanpu that Alex posted is very similar to the one that Xia Shaolong of Qingdao has on his Beng Bu DVD. 左 右 二 阴 阳 replaces 纏 龍 護 眼 打. In the same way that 闪 步 闪 肋 臂 is found at the beginning rather than 左 封 右 臂 肘.

Originally, I thought maybe the differences were due to the fact that Master Xia is from Wang Yushan's lineage rather than Cui Shoushan's lineage. But if I am understanding Alex correctly, what he posted was a hand written copy by Master Cui Shoushan himself.

The plot thickens!

[Tainan Mantis]

The opening movements are different to the way I was taught. After the bi zhou, your quan pu says "zuo you er yin yang" whereas it should be "chan long hu yan"

It is the same.
Zuo you er yin yang and chan long hu yan are the same move with a different perspective.

[mooyingmantis]

It is the same.
Zuo you er yin yang and chan long hu yan are the same move with a different perspective.

Agreed, but why the different wording? And which is the original?

[Tainan Mantis]

Prior to Cui Shoushan the move was also called 'Praying Mantis Hands to left and right.' At least that is what Liang Xuexiang writes, but what they write and what they teach don't always match.
When Zhou Zhendong teaches the moves he mentions somethings that are very useful such as, this move can be done this way or that way, it is called this or that.
So, each generation may write something down one way and teach it orally another way.