BJJ Is Ineffective in the Real World

[Mutant]

The Gracie boys are a bunch of pansies. They are an incestuous family with silly names, who think that laying on their backs and spreading wide, and then dry-humping their opponents leg for a half hour or so is fighting.

Sakuraba even killed them at their own game, showing that their BJJ isn't even the best jujitsu. When Royce tried to fight like a real MMA fighter and throw some kicks and punches when his 'assuming the position' was getting him nowhere against Sak, he looked like a weak TKD yellow belt and Sakuraba just toyed with him, truly pathetic.

BJJ had its day when it caught fighters with their pants down, isolated in a cage and unaware of their dry-humping tactics, but martial artists have now learned how to integrate it or deal with it. Their fighting only works in a very controlled and limited environment that has very little to do with the real world. They state that they would just run away in street encounters with multiple assailants, so they'd be better off training as joggers, and saving their BJJ for the bedroom. They would be destroyed on the battlefield, rolling around on the ground like maggots, easily gunned down as they lay there and wiggled. Only clueless, sweaty teenage puffs still worship the Gracies.

So what do you all think of that? Opinions?

[Water Dragon]

In the interest of not conversing with trolls or idiots, I shall be the first to add MutantWarrior to my ignore list.

[jon]

"So what do you all think of that? Opinions?"

For many people the art of BJJ seems to be very effective i havent personaly studied it but many seem to have good success.
You want to know what i think of your post and opinions?
Your post
I think your biased...
My opinion
I would not recomend learning BJJ to you personaly, learning something you dont like is often pointless.
Well that was easy can i have a biscuit now?

[count]

Your the second WaterDragon

[MightyB]

I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Great post. It's not that I have anything against BJJ, but enough posturing already.

We've seen BJJ and it isn't new anymore. We know how to deal with your game. I do have to thank the BJJ people for pointing out a hole in our defensive systems so that we were able to correct it. It's been fixed.

[Chang Style Novice]

My opinion is:

Brazilian Jujutsu is a refinement of groundfighting strategies for a specific situation - ring fighting in an environment where hard takedowns have been made martially ineffective by a soft surface or ruled out of existence, and attacking a grounded fighter from standing isn't an option. Practitioners of BJJ have successfully demonstrated their ability to win with the style in this context.

Remove it from that same context, and I don't think anyone reasonable claims that BJJ is a complete fighting strategy.

[Mutant]

yep, very predictable; count and waterdragon toadying up to the the bjj troll boys

maybe i'm having some fun with it, i really have nothing against bjj, it just amazes me to see so many kung fu guys roll over as soon as bjj guys start trash talking. no wonder they think we're not fighters. many are still scared of them ever since their UFC escapades.

so you'll let bjj guys of questionable authenticity and talent badmouth you all day on the kfo forum and take it, but a disenting kung fu opinion with valid points is shunned and ostesized? thats totally lame, you've become to accustomed to taking ****e.

[Cipher]

MutantWarrior,

While a little harsh I do agree with much of your post. We should thank the Gracies they have helpped a lot of martial artists realizes theimportance of defending against and learning ground fighting. The problem is they come in and fight people who have never trained against a ground fighter, now we have been able to see and see how to defend and fight against different styles.

Has anyone noticed ralek has not posted on this thread or any of the other recently that I have noticed. Do you think he got banned?

[Tigerstyle]

Nobody here is shunning a kung fu opinion with valid points.

[Steven T. Richards]

Mutant W,

You make a good psychological point. Mirroring troll-style attacks can bring out the weaknesses in argument against said trolls and their embedded suggestions that TCMA are sh*t

If what you posted was an intelligently framed prompt for people to 'think' more clearly both about what has been happening thru trolls who pose behind a BJJ facde, and, to force people to be more procative about their own art instead as you put it 'rolling over' then great, I for one am with you all the way.

You could only be legitimately labelled as a 'troll' if over time you did nothing other than be inflamatory, contrary and destructive.

Your explanation seems to suggest otherwise.

[MightyB]

You bring up a good point. So far all that I've seen of these so called "anti-trolls" isn't all that good. They're too eager to discount and label anybody who doesn't agree with their views as trolls. It reminds me of a modern day Salem witch hunt. The ol' "I don't like what this guy says because it threatens my preconceived beliefs so I'll call him a troll and get him blacklisted". I don't like it. A forum is supposed to be about debate. I agree that name calling and ungrounded statements have no place on a forum, but you should be open to other's thoughts and viewpoints. I've changed my mind on a couple of things because people that I may not like have posted some good arguments. If a person only reads people's comments who they deem are just like them, then they'll learn nothing and that's what most people are now doing.

Guys and girls, don't let the real trolls ruin a good forum by closing your mind to all people who don't think like you.

[Steven T. Richards]

Well said Mighty B.

[LEGEND]

GOOD POST...there are guys here like KNIFEFIGHTER and MERRY PRANKSTER that have tried to guide CMA fighters on how to defend the ground game! To us CMA fighters are exceptional standup fighters! But the answers when asked if tackled or takendown on what to do seemed unrealistic! The truth is BJJ works...but like any other martial art system...it works cause the element of surprise...when I first sparred my wing chun sifu...I had not idea how to defend against trapping...I was SKOOLED! Same with boxing...I was SKOOLED! Grappling...SKOOLED! That's why we study martial arts...with the hope that our OPPONENTs will not be sooooooooo SKOOLED. Cause if he is...then we're gonna have a tough time! But BJJ can help u be a complete fighter...it emphasis is the GROUND. And u never know...u may fight a real tough guy and your not knocking him out and he football tackles you...BJJ can help u get off the ground...can help u break arms and legs...it may not or ever be a system u like...but it will help!

[Mutant]

Steven R.,

Yes I see your point and agree with your suggestions. I guess i was feeling a bit goofy and restless on a friday at work and felt like dishing some absurdity back to the bjj circle for once.

If you can see and appreciate the parody of the post, coming from a cma perspective, then one might examine the rash of troll posts coming in from the other direction in a different light.

While I know much of it is ridiculous, i think there are some valid points imbedded within. and why should we only have to take their ****, its not only a one-way street...

they exposed flaws in our ring fighting and we are better off for it, they helped cma as well as the entire martial arts community evolve in mma and we can all thank them for it, i do appreciate that.

but we can also return the favor, and expose some fundamental flaws in their art, no? or at least examine and depate this? or is this this to scary or against the grain for some people, incurring the wrath of the bjj guys? last i checked ralek was logged on but had not responded...now he can't claim that responding to a 'troll' post is beneath him. besides, meaningless drivel seems to get the most responses lately....trying to ignore them sure hasnt seemed to work, theyre proliferating and people keep feeding them...does this mean that forum members prefer this style of posting? does that mean that trolls can't funtion well and have fun unless they're in the driver's seat, the head troll? hmmm...

[red5angel]

I have a question to put out there....

Could it be that possible, due to the popularity of bjj in so-called extreme or reality fighting, that bjj attracts a certain type of person, in general of course, who trains harder and is more competitive? Could this be the reason why bjj seems to win these type of tourneys more?