Kung Fu Magazine Tournament/demonstration

[Ray Pina]

I'm down for holding it in sunny Puerto Rico but would travel to participate.

Two venues:

Venue A: Technology venue

Round mat discussion where principles can be challenged technically. No winners or losers. Just demonstration of principles. I know if my internal master would go he could demonstrate unique weight borrowing principles. Also "short power" from touching distance.

I would personally like to see throw set ups.

Venue B: Single 10 minute round match under pre agreed upon rules (techniques, targets, gear)


In a perfect world there would also be submission push hands. Start from traditional positions (wing chun, S Mantis, Tai Chi) and play to submission. Full striking, locks, throws, etc.

[uki]

i can't go to some sunny and volcanicly active coral reef, but i am game here on the mainland somewhere - gene could make a special issue out of it.

[uki]

oooohh... we can hold the matches lei tai style... i always wanted to fight a lei tai for sh!ts and giggles, but i hate wearing gear.

[Andy Miles]

Originally Posted by Ray Pina

I'm down for holding it in sunny Puerto Rico but would travel to participate.

Two venues:

Venue A: Technology venue

Round mat discussion where principles can be challenged technically. No winners or losers. Just demonstration of principles. I know if my internal master would go he could demonstrate unique weight borrowing principles. Also "short power" from touching distance.

I would personally like to see throw set ups.

Venue B: Single 10 minute round match under pre agreed upon rules (techniques, targets, gear)


In a perfect world there would also be submission push hands. Start from traditional positions (wing chun, S Mantis, Tai Chi) and play to submission. Full striking, locks, throws, etc.

This is a good idea and is what many good martial arts school have already. At the school I trained at in South Dakota, we would learn different principles and techniques. Most of the people in the foundation class would have trained in other styles mma types etc looking to pick up a few moves and try a new workout. Often times we would try them durring open mat or while practicing/sparring and they would doubt a technique and I would try it and it sometimes they wouldn't work. This made me look at why it didn't work and I could train it until it did and discover the details such as the degree of softness/hardness the angle, amount of force and how you adapt it to people of different sizes. Its not that the technique was bad, its that I was performing it incorrectly. Its interesting that you mention throw set ups because this one took me a long time to understand. I used to get frustrated with throw set ups against larger people. In strictly grappling practice people are hard to throw and their structures are hard to compromise for long enough to throw them. They are ready for a throw and both people tend to fall down together. When people are punching and kicking they come uprooted and often lose structure and can hit the ground hard as a result. A failed throw will also set them off balance for a barrage of strikes.

Our sticking hands practice always involved submissions and often went to the ground and then back up to the feet. In China I've done push hands with some masters and they are really hard to lock because they know how to free their dan tian. Just like BJJ it takes solid position to pull off a lock they are loose, agile and rooted. I do, however find their attack strategies suck and that they lack what it takes to stick to someone who really wants to hurt them.. They can stick as long as I am playing with them, but if I wanted to start boxing them I think I could knock most of them out rather quickly. Their attack strategies aren't very developed and they just don't have a fighters edge. The best sticking hands practice I had was against a boxer who was side stepping and working the jabs to train breaking away from a boxer who wanted to clinch.

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[uki]

i think ray is going alittle stir crazy on his island there... recess just isn't fun with a yard full of bullies.

[TenTigers]

I do this on a regular basis. I have a select group of friends, all highly skilled Martial artists. The best I've seen. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Kali, BJJ, wrestling, grappling, weapons, etc. We've created a sort of "Lab," where we share and exchange information, technique, skills,etc. Then we go back to our respective homes and schools and bring up the level of our arts and our students.
This is something that my teachers have done, and theirs before them.
It is nothing new, and should be done by all.
Only recently, have MAists closed themselves off from outside systems, mostly due to fear of losing money(students) or credibility, or both. In one generation, many MAists have successfully destroyed what it took many generations to create.

[KC Elbows]

Originally Posted by TenTigers

I do this on a regular basis. I have a select group of friends, all highly skilled Martial artists. The best I've seen. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Kali, BJJ, wrestling, grappling, weapons, etc. We've created a sort of "Lab," where we share and exchange information, technique, skills,etc. Then we go back to our respective homes and schools and bring up the level of our arts and our students.

Funny, we do this as well, and we call it "the lab".

[Ray Pina]

Originally Posted by uki

i think ray is going alittle stir crazy on his island there... recess just isn't fun with a yard full of bullies.

Maybe. Sign me up. We can play on the Le Tie with no gear.

I'd love to train some throwing with guys here who are good at that. And push hands to submissions is just fun.

[David Jamieson]

Originally Posted by TenTigers

I do this on a regular basis. I have a select group of friends, all highly skilled Martial artists. The best I've seen. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Kali, BJJ, wrestling, grappling, weapons, etc. We've created a sort of "Lab," where we share and exchange information, technique, skills,etc. Then we go back to our respective homes and schools and bring up the level of our arts and our students.
This is something that my teachers have done, and theirs before them.
It is nothing new, and should be done by all.
Only recently, have MAists closed themselves off from outside systems, mostly due to fear of losing money(students) or credibility, or both. In one generation, many MAists have successfully destroyed what it took many generations to create.

You can have a city of 10 million people and it only takes one of them to cause extreme chaos.

The great works one person can do, or obversely, the great harm only one person can bring says a lot about the power of individual decisions and actions.

A startling reality, a sad truth, a beacon to keep an eye on.

[uki]

Originally Posted by Ray Pina

I'd love to train some throwing with guys here who are good at that. And push hands to submissions is just fun.

i like being the one thrown, it helps me counter the throws... push hands to ground submission is also fun.

[Ray Pina]

I hate getting thrown it gets me mad.... and I hate this little Judo *** black belt who comes around to our training and always wants to play just throws and leaves. It helps me improve, but he's ****y walking around the BJJ class with his Judo Black belt and I can kick his as and he knows it. Why don't we ever play Let's Fight?

[GeneChing]

But please don't call your event a "Kung Fu Magazine Tournament/demonstration". That's our name brand and there are proper channels for such things. How would you feel if we threw a Ray Pina tournament here? That's just not proper etiquette.

[David Jamieson]

I on the other hand would be honoured to have an event called the "David Jamieson Kicks you in the balls tournament- featuring members of the kfm forum"

It would entail me kicking people in the nuts and the last one standing, I would by a copy of kfm right fresh off the stand for them and I'd even call and ambulance for everyone else as a consolation prize.

[Dragonzbane76]

and what's second prize???

[uki]

Originally Posted by Dragonzbane76

and what's second prize??

a special edition audio set of the award winning language series, "english with bawang."