XLM or X Layer Model

[Hendrik]

Hello all

I would like to announce a name changes from the 3 level model or the X level model to X layer model.

Why is this change is important? that is because I want to integrate everything up so that one can see what is happing in term of process of training, platform intertwine....etc. So the concept of one is for all and all is for one really shown. In addition, we want to get out of the computer Programing type of model because IMHO Computer programing type of model cannot cover the essence or the needs of the art such as the conventional computer is a central processing type of model while the intelligent of the Neural Network is every where within its components. That is analogues to the Awareness is everywhere and manifest different components.
So, instead of thinking " there is a central "Mind" which thinks and give command." it is about " every level or layer has its own intelligent and since every lever or layer intertwine, the inteligent of every layer/level intertwine into a wholistic integrated "intelligent". This is important because IMHO, in Chi Sau, it is this type of "intelligent" existed and not a Central "Mind" giving command to the action.

I am using the Neural Network concept model as the platform to fit the X level model. And since Neural Network is using Layers. It fits in beautifully when we change the level to layer. And, I think layer is a more precise word instead of level.

Here is a simple explaination about Neural Network for anyone who is interested in want to know what I am going to talk about.

http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~lss/NNIntr...ides.html#what



Architecture:


So, with the NN or Neural Network concept model, or the X layer model, we will have define 4 layers which make up a Typical BP network artchitecture.


the physical platform layer or layer 1, IE: non broken arrow balance platform

the Force Field layer 2 IE: 6 directional force vector , Breathing, Zhen Qi ,

the mental power layer 3 IE: Intention/Attention layer/ Quit the mind.., the

The Awareness Layer 4 IE: surrender to God, Surfing the Nature




TRaining:


and all these layers has to be TRAIN or to give it Inteligent or Smart to perform its job.

This training itself is a big deal because the Layer has to be condition and the Training methodology will influence the characteristics and outcome.



This training concept IMHO is very important because we usualy make an assumption of we just learn the application and that's it we then go applied it.

Well, that doesnt work well. IMHO, the reason is if the Layer to be train is not condition to the state ready to be train and having a training process that can let the Layer soak or and sink in. Then, either nothing will work at all or the efficientcy of the application is very low due to not much tuning or intelligent is given to the Layer.


IE:

Zhan Zhuang of Standing Post has processed of traing the 4 layers depend of different schools or styles. and the conditioning of the Layer before it can be trained is Losing the physical and quiet down the mind. and there has to have ways to do this pre-train conditioning.

Only after the Pre-train conditioning then one can get into say the physcial layer to train the layer to defaut to the Non Broken Arrow Balance Platform, similar to burning a CDRom, burn it in. but it is not quiet thus one needs to keep training until the CDRom is solidly burn in. And that is why one needs to practice the Zhan Zhuang or SLT again and again. To train a certain layer and then another Layer ....

after the train of the first layer, one can continous on the pre-train conditioning of the second layer. then at the training state, one can train the second or force field layer to defaut to the 6 directional force vector awareness...


So, why is one does SLT or for 3 times, that can be three times for training a layer or one time to enhance each layer and training 3 layers in total.





IMHO, the communication breakdown when we discuss about say Keng Geng is that in general we are thinking "if I know the trick we will know how to do it. or you just being secretive to not give me your secret" the fact, IMHO, is that is true but not true.

1, because we dont know about there are layers and layers needs to be condition and train. But assume as soon as one heard about it one can do it. that can get us stuck because we are missing steps or layers.

2, there are process in pre-training conditioning. and there are process in training. one has to dig into deeper layer or hidden layer to pre-train condition it in a certain way and train it in a certain way.

So, if one doesnt go deep enough or doesnt have the "key" to enter into the state. then things would not work properly.
Thus, there are keys which people dont want to give out. However, for general stuffs most of the key are out in the public but in general because of non organized it is scrambled and thus that great problem of things seems not working.

IE: pre-conditoning of snake slide cocoon move of Emei 12 Zhuang training has to reach a certain level of loose-ness. Snake Slide cocoon move training process is different then the TaiJi Reel Silk process.



So, with knowing what is going on within the reality with a solid model. eventhough a model is not and never be the reality. the closer the model to the reality the more we have a better grips or hold on the subject. and the result is hopefully we can have a repeatable process to produce good result.


Just some thoughts to share

[Hendrik]

So, say we know there are 4 layers of manifestation between input and output.

Say they are:


the physical platform layer or layer 1,
IE: non broken arrow balance platform

the flex flow Force Field layer or layer 2
IE: 6 directional force vector , Breathing, Zhen Qi ,

the mental power layer or layer 3
IE: Intention/Attention layer/ Quit the mind.., the

The Awareness Layer or layer 4
IE: surrender to God, Surfing the Nature


But that is not the end of the story.
it is just a begining.

The following are some applications of XLM




Example 1 ----Decoding and knowing what one get into or needed.


The Daoist has 3 stages of cultivation; namely, cultivate the Jing to transform into Qi, cultivate the Qi to transform into Shen (spirit), cultivate the Shen to transcent into Emptiness.

There is no jumping step every detail has to be known in order to handle the training and get the result. IMHO. So,


we now can decode this 3 stages of training with the X layer Model or XML

for cultivate the jing to transform into Qi must involve layer 1, 2, and some of layer 3 with emphasis on layer 1 and 2.

for cultivation the Qi to transform into shen must included Layer 1, 2, 3, and some of Layer 4 with empasis on layer 2 and 3.

For cultivation the Shen to transcent into Emptiness must included Layer 1, 2, 3, and 4 with emphasis on layer 3 and 4.


So, if one wants to cultivate the Jing to transform into Qi. Then, one knows where and what to look for. instead of suddently walla everything happen while one is keep sleeping.


Example 2 ---- Pattern in dealing with different layers


Since we all are different if we need to train for say breathing which is the second layer component. Some might have to do it started via layer 3 which is settle the mind . Some might have to do it started via layer 1 which is losing the physical. Some might go direct into Layer 2 and train the Breathing itself.

So, say from example 1, cultivate the Jing (essense) to transform into Qi. one might have to start the cultivation following the sequence of layer 1, then layer 2, then Layer 3. Some might have to go direct to layer 3 first due to the mind is absent minded.

The pattern of dealing to train with different layers is a process that is flexible and also based on different school or style.

Say, Yik Kam SLT kuen kuit said

Collect the Yee(intention) union with Shen (spirit) in an equal shoulder stance.


That is actually going to Layer 3 (Yee) and Layer 4 (Shen) with the Support of Layer 1 ( physcial platform). and it is very specific what to do with these Layer. IE Collect the Yee. meaning called all the scatering intention back to NOW. Union with Shen. Meaning, surrender the Will to Dao or Nature. It is similar to Communion with God. One has to let go the Will after the Yee being called back to Now. Equal shoulder Stance. Equal in Chinese is Balance. That is the platform of the stance is a NON Broken Arrow.

So, one knows what to deal with and how to deal with what one is traing at. Incidentally, this pattern is very similar to the pattern of training of Emei 12 zhuang. one can check it out.


Example 3 ---- using the proper layer or layers

This is refer to say breathing training again.

Say lower abdoment training.

Sometimes, we brute force the layer 1, squash and blown our Layer 1 or the physical of the lower abdoment and at the same time stop breathing (layer 2) and thinking with Layer 3 that we are doing a lower abdoment training.

So, in this case, the Layer 3, intention, wants to train the Level 2, breathing into lower abdoment breathing. however, what really happen is a, one stop breathing. b, bruteforce the layer 1, C, thinking the Intention has been execute.

This is a very big problem. Thus, I have heard, from breathing to doing Tan sau...etc. So, the "body" is not doing what the Mind intent. and the Mind "think" the "body" is doing it.

Another case, is even within a layer say layer 1, when one suppose to tense a certain part of body. one tense up a different part of the body. this usually create a sensation of "really put effort" into the training but in fact one is draining one's energy doing something else one have no idea about.


Example 4 --- Using the proper sequencing

Say doing a Tan Sau, how is the layers sequence for exercution?

The Kuen kuit of Yik Kam said,

Eye track the Hand, Hand syncronized with the Heart, Hand issue from the Heart.

We know from this kuen kuit that it involve layer 3 Eye tracking or attention layer 1 hand, Layer 3 heart and layer 1 hand in sync. Layer 3 become the called of the issue.


There is sequencing in Training the Layer or Layers here. It is unfortunately, Hand issues from the heart was generally breaking out as an individual term so one didnt see the totaly view of the training. But even that we know it is Layer 3 become the caller of the issue layer 1 or physical. However, one must Know. The Layer 3 and Layer 1 was condition to track and syncronized before the Issue taking place.

So, this is also and example of pre-training conditioning, Layer training, beside the sequence of Layers execution or training.






SLT IMHO has lots of this stuffs. and one has to be very clear about every layer and layers activation interm of what to look for, attain, cultivate...


So, if GM so and so do SLT or SNT for 1 hours... it is not that one hold one's breath or prolong this or that. it is they are going through every layer and combination of Layers to Train thier Neural Network.


One thing we need to careful about TRain the Neural Network to be inteligent or Aware-full is different then muscular Memory. Aware-full training will be able to self interpolate the solution when needed even it is not train. IE: two condition was trained but something between the two trained condition shows up. so the Aware-full knows what to do. As for memory, with the same situation, only a condition between the two train condition will be selected for solution. due to the memory doesnt have its own inteligent but a Reaction reflex not a Intelligent Response.



With these above XLM, we can see, there is only one SLT or SNT is needed because the Technology is within. and it is not the shape or move but the technology is in the Layers.


It is also not a Programing type of art because in Layer 4, one has to give up or let go one's will. otherwise, one cannot follow the nature.

IE: those who squash and blown up the lower abdoment (layer 1) with Will (layer 3) is not going to understand what is lower abdoment breahing (Layer 2) until one give up the Will (layer 3) to ALLOW the Nature (layer 4) to take over.



Just some thoughts.

BEst to all in your journey.

[Hendrik]

In summary,

1, X LAYER MODEL

There is a model -- X Layer Model -- which is based on the Neural Network concept to model what one is facing to train while training for an Art such as IE: the SLT or Lower Abdoment Breathing ..or Chi Sau.etc Thus, it can be used as a Tool to direct one to identify what where when and possibilities..etc



2, XLM and its layers.

This XLM has multi-Layers within it. Or an art is an holistic integration of intertwine multi-layers. where each layer has its own intelligent and characteristics.


In the present, 4 layers where identified namely:

the physical platform layer or layer 1,
IE: non broken arrow balance platform

the flex flow Force Field layer or layer 2
IE: 6 directional force vector , Breathing, Zhen Qi ,

the mental power layer or layer 3
IE: Intention/Attention layer/ Quit the mind.., the

The Awareness Layer or layer 4
IE: surrender to God, Surfing the Nature



3, Pre-Train Conditioning and Training

The whole network or each layer needs to be TRAIN or Soak with Awareness or Zap with intelligent in order to make the network alive.


A Pre-Train conditioning is needed before TRAINING can be carry out.


TRAINING might be a Zapping that once Zap the job is done. Or Soaking where repeating for a long perior of time is needed.


Kuen Kuit or key point usually will present the Layer or layers of training, the pre-training conditioning, the Process of training.




4, Training, Memory, Programing definition

Since Neural Network processing concept is different from a conventional computer.

TRaining is about giving the Layer of training Intelligent or Awareness or making it alive. Programing is about giving something a command for execution without making the object to be programmed "alive" or having "inteligent" of its own. Memory is a zap of reflex where there is no intelligent presented but a reflex which select a path to go based on what is being memorized.

IE: an inteligent network will be able to create a solution even it was not train in a certain data points. A program needs to be told what to do if the input is beyond the pre-set data. A memory will only choose either or based on the data programmed.


Different from the Conventional Computer way, XLM doesnt have a central Processing "Mind" or CPU. every layers has its own Inteligent. Layer 3 is the Mind layer however it doesnt really control the rest of the layers but only function for its own function such as setting the intention or paying attention. IE: Layer 3 can intertwine with Layer 1 to influence, however, Layer 3 doesnt have total control or even know about Layer 1 or the physical layer. See, the example on the above post on Lower abdoment mistaken training.




5, Layers sequence and Layer interaction


Since a single layer has its own characteristics however the final outcome is based on the holistic integration of all layers.

The training sequence of the layer can make a different. IE: one might need to calm the mind layer or layer 3 before working at layer 2 the breathing layer. Or one might want to work on the layer 2 the breathing layer before one can reach into work on the layer 3.

There are outcome that is cause by the interaction between two or three different layers instead of a single layer.





just some thoughts.

[ghostofwingchun]

Mr Hendrik I am sure this is very profound . . . but I do not have the faintest idea what you are talking about . . . lol . . . perhaps this makes sense to you . . . for me things are so much simpler . . . I am thinking that in fighting things can not be complicated . . . but it is over thinking that makes it so . . . wc can not be more complicated than boxing or jujitsu it just will not work . . . at least this is my thought at the moment.

Thanks,

Ghost

[Matrix]

Originally Posted by ghostofwingchun

I am thinking that in fighting things can not be complicated . . . but it is over thinking that makes it so . .

Ghost,
I'm beginning to think that we are kindred spirits.
pun intended.

[anerlich]

Mr Hendrik I am sure this is very profound

Incomprehensibility != profundity.

As a colleague of my father said once, "it's stuff like this that gives bu11sh*t a bad name".

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by ghostofwingchun

Mr Hendrik I am sure this is very profound . . . but I do not have the faintest idea what you are talking about . . . lol . . . perhaps this makes sense to you . . . for me things are so much simpler . . . I am thinking that in fighting things can not be complicated . . . but it is over thinking that makes it so . . . wc can not be more complicated than boxing or jujitsu it just will not work . . . at least this is my thought at the moment.

Thanks,

Ghost

hahaha, sure, design an automobile and just want to drive one are indeed very different.

Great if one just want to drive an automobile and pay someone else to maintain it every month.

[Matrix]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

Great if one just want to drive an automobile and pay someone else to maintain it every month.

Physician, heal thy self.

[YungChun]

Why someone who claims to have left the ego behind would write a multi-page post on a public forum that is incomprehensible by all but the author completely escapes me.

It's tough enough to get ideas across when all parties read and write English well and use clear and simple terms. This stuff is ASCII encoded masturbation of the highest order IMO.

[Matrix]

Originally Posted by YungChun

Why someone who claims to have left the ego behind would write a multi-page post on a public forum that is incomprehensible by all but the author completely escapes me.

I'm not sure which is worse, the fact that this information is old-news or that it is totally inappropriate for this general audience. In either case, in my opinion, Jim's comments have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by YungChun

Why someone who claims to have left the ego behind would write a multi-page post on a public forum that is incomprehensible by all but the author completely escapes me.

It's tough enough to get ideas across when all parties read and write English well and use clear and simple terms. This stuff is ASCII encoded masturbation of the highest order IMO.

Communication is never easy.

Sharing about the past attainment/phenomenon with a future expandable technological platform is not everyone's piece of cake. and, certainly better job can be done always.
But, it has to be shared.


And, Sharing is Sharing and solely sharing. Some will like it some will reject it. people always reject whatever new or what they dont expect or what they dont have patients to think about anyway. and everyone is entitle for one's opinion.

So, what to expect? but, allow and embrace whatever opinions and critics. Some critics the contents some attack the person some confuse about what is what, all is a part of communication.


And,
Somehow, some one has to make the first step for communication on what existed. Good or bad that doesnt matter. Sharing is simply sharing. communication has to start somewhere.

if you have a better model. Share it with us. Your contribution will be highly appreciated.

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by Matrix

I'm not sure which is worse, the fact that this information is old-news or that it is totally inappropriate for this general audience. In either case, in my opinion, Ray's comments have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

Isnt it Matrix is That was Zen, this is Tao ?

or matrix is the Agents that make decision for the general audience ?

[Matrix]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

or matrix is the Agents that make decision for the general audience ?

Hendrik,
I will make a recommendation for you. Take the red pill.

You say that communication is never easy, and that some will reject it. In this case it is very true. Mainly because of the obvious intent of the communicator (that's you,btw) to try and BS people with this obtuse model of yours. Communication is much easier when your intent is to really share ideas and concepts, not so when you're trying to showcase your ego.

[CFT]

Originally Posted by Matrix

In either case, in my opinion, Ray's comments have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

Bill, look closer!

YungChun is not YongChun, and if you look at his sig. you will see that he is "Jim" not Ray Van Raamsdonk. Had me confused for a while too.

[Matrix]

Originally Posted by CFT

YungChun is not YongChun, and if you look at his sig. you will see that he is "Jim" not Ray Van Raamsdonk. Had me confused for a while too.

Hey Chee,
Thanks for the heads up.