Silat Grappling

[TenTigers]

i had a former student who while studying JKD, was learning some Silat grappling. I believe it might have been either Mande Muda, or Harimou from Herman Suwanda's teachings? This grappling was not so much rolling on the ground BJJ stuff. Rather, it was evil,tie up your opponent in a position which got worse the more he struggled. It focused on breaking and dislocating joints-whatever was near.If it was an ankle-break the ankle. To me, this type of grappling is better suited for personal combat/self-defense, as opposed to BJJ.
My question to the board is, are there vids,books etc on this type of grappling?

[Vajramusti]

Indian arts specially from southern and eatsern parts of India playeda historic role in many syntheses in SE Asia including that of hari mau(Tiger).
I dont remember the date but many years ago- IKF had an article with pictures of har mau.

joy chaudhuri

[Nick Forrer]

What I know about Silat:

Indonesia is a large archipelago (sp?) with a variety of terrain. Silat from areas with uneven, muddy, slippery ground is much lower and converts quickly to the ground because of the ease with which you loose your footing. Silat from areas with higher, flatter, dryer places is more upright.

A lot of silat assumes you are fighting (or could be fighting) with daggers. This is why it differs from BJJ, as many of the positions in BJJ will get you stabbed by a supine opponent. The first priority is to control the weapon, then control the man and then finally finish him all without exposing your self to the main target or to any other attacker. This is also why a lot of the sweeps dont rely on grabbing with the hands since in one hand you will have your dagger and you will be controlling his dagger with the other.

I have a really cool bootleg dvd of a Inosanto seminar in 1986 were he demos a lot of the silat sweeps and shows how the durus (forms) contain a sequence of movements that are used to intercept, sieze/control, enter, break, sweep and finish all in one fluid pattern.

[Nick Forrer]

Heres a silat sequence (durus)

Intercept with pak da

Sieze and raising armbar using the shoulder as a fulcrum

Elbow to ribs

Sinking armbar using elbow as the fulcrum with sweep

Elbow to the back

Stepping through for takedown

Finishing with a kick

[Vajramusti]

Hari Mau has some nice drills of being on the floor and intercepting kicks
and damaging legs.

joy chaudhuri

[EULOGY]

Hello, I am Ojibwe, the founder of American Silat. I am looking to start a mixed martial arts study group that trains on Tuesdays and Thursdays at Middlesex County College in Edison, NJ. We will cover fighting from various ranges, self defense, ground fighting, weapons disarmament, etc. Please contact me if you are interested or know anyone who would be. Thank you.