Red Plum Blossom meaning in wc?

[cha kuen]

What's the meaning of the plum blossom in wc?

[Jeff Bussey]

Don't really know the meaning, but I've heard it's supposed to be the shape of the tip of the pole when you do bui kwan.

J

[Vajramusti]

This the kind of question where yellowpikachu is a superb source of information.

The five petalled plum blossom has many rich layers of meaning.
Ng Mui.
A flower for all seasons- survives hardships- temperature, ground.
Five elements synthesis- five petals connected to one center.
Mother of several styles-many originating in the south specially Fukien- not just wincg chun. Plum blossom footwork.
Blood red color is used in much Chinese symbolism.
Red plum blossom also a source of identity in the southern rebellions.
PRC wanted to use the plum blossom as the national flower- Taiwan beat them to it.

[Phil Redmond]

Please go to the bottom of this page.
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/form.asp
Most of the WC lineages I studied use the plum flower pattern in their palm strikes.
Phil

[PaulH]

All bases covered, Joy! It is indeed a good symbol of WC emphasizing more on the feminine aspects. It reminds me of calm, firm, and persevering strength in face of harsh severity. When we gaze on the small bright flower, what do we see? The fragile, fresh unfolding of its petals budding a new live or the dawn of a slow death? =)

[sihing]

Originally posted by Phil Redmond
Please go to the bottom of this page.
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/form.asp
Most of the WC lineages I studied use the plum flower pattern in their palm strikes.
Phil

Good information Phil, well explained and great pictures to follow it on your website.

James

[couch]

"Some Wing Chun styles drag the foot when advancing. Dragging the foot is like driving a car with the emergency brake on. Plus, it would be impossible to drag your foot while fighting on the 'Mui Fa Jong'. "

Hey Phil, this was taken from your site. It's interesting and I would like to comment on it openly.

Everything you say is right. It would be impossible to fight if I were to drag my feet while fighting, but I feel that the reason I drag my foot and push it hard into the ground while stepping is a training exercise. Same reason I sit in the YJKYM stance.

I'm not going to follow someone around in a street fight while dragging my heel is right. But that power/springyness I've developed from pushing those feet into the ground gives me that opportunity to move my legs quickly....again, giving me a springyness to my step. I know that I won't be fighting someone in the goat-clamped stance...heck I'll probably be standing up for the first bit of it.

The only stance I see myself using is the back horse when I've closed in passed the elbows, etc.

Just wanted to clarify why I drag my feet.

Pecae,
Couch

[wing nut]

Originally posted by Phil Redmond
Please go to the bottom of this page.
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/form.asp
Most of the WC lineages I studied use the plum flower pattern in their palm strikes.
Phil

Hey Phil,
That just gave me an idea on what I can do with some of the extra space in my backyard.

[sihing]

I think when it comes to footwork(movement) then practicing something that will not be used will be somewhat of a waste of time. The YJKYM stance practiced in SLT is yes a practice stance but it is the core of the other stances used, at least in the WC I practice, so this is an important aspect of the overall picture. Mobilitiy & Stability have to be present at all times to deliver the tools effectively.

James

[Vajramusti]

Thanks Paul H. Not everyone is interested in the semiotics of a subject-but I enjoy the full continuum of the art- or atleast tinkering with it.

[Phil Redmond]

Originally posted by couch
"Some Wing Chun styles drag the foot when advancing. Dragging the foot is like driving a car with the emergency brake on. Plus, it would be impossible to drag your foot while fighting on the 'Mui Fa Jong'. "

Hey Phil, this was taken from your site. It's interesting and I would like to comment on it openly.

Everything you say is right. It would be impossible to fight if I were to drag my feet while fighting, but I feel that the reason I drag my foot and push it hard into the ground while stepping is a training exercise. Same reason I sit in the YJKYM stance.

I'm not going to follow someone around in a street fight while dragging my heel is right. But that power/springyness I've developed from pushing those feet into the ground gives me that opportunity to move my legs quickly....again, giving me a springyness to my step. I know that I won't be fighting someone in the goat-clamped stance...heck I'll probably be standing up for the first bit of it.

The only stance I see myself using is the back horse when I've closed in passed the elbows, etc.

Just wanted to clarify why I drag my feet.

Pecae,
Couch

I fully understand where you're coming from. I dragged my rear foot for 13 years and even taught that way until 1983. Then I learned a different approach that worked better for me personally. I always say it's what works for the indivdual. The world would be boring if we all that the same.
Phil

[Phil Redmond]

Originally posted by couch
"Some Wing Chun styles drag the foot when advancing. Dragging the foot is like driving a car with the emergency brake on. Plus, it would be impossible to drag your foot while fighting on the 'Mui Fa Jong'. ". . . . . . . . .
Couch

Couch, I've just emailed our webmaster to re-word the above statement on my site. It seemed a little divisive to me and WC doesn't need anymore of that. . ..
I'm going with this instead.
"I previously learned to drag the rear foot when advancing. I found it similar to driving a car with the emergency brake on. Also, in some Mui Fa Jong patterns the poles were at varying heights so it would be impossible to drag your foot while fighting and having to step from pole to pole."
Phil

[couch]

Thanks Phil.

I know that you're not some style/lineage-bashing person.

No worries. And this is very true that if we all didn't have preferences about how we do things...this world would be boring.

I didn't know that you were a foot dragger for 13 years! That's amazing. No wonder you can see the other side of things so clearly.

I was in modified TWC for a couple of years...so the way I understand TWC might be different than the way you've come to know it from William Cheung. It's cool to see the world from different perspectives.

Sincerely,
Couch

[couch]

Originally posted by sihing
I think when it comes to footwork(movement) then practicing something that will not be used will be somewhat of a waste of time. The YJKYM stance practiced in SLT is yes a practice stance but it is the core of the other stances used, at least in the WC I practice, so this is an important aspect of the overall picture. Mobilitiy & Stability have to be present at all times to deliver the tools effectively.

James

I feel you've contradicted yourself. You said that one shouldn't practise something that will not be used. Why sit in the YJKYM stance? You said it's a practise stance and the core for all other stances. Agreed.

Well, me dragging my foot is the core for all movement around my opponent. It also teaches me to find my balance in the back horse and to sink into my back leg, building strength in the process. I don't feel this is a waste of time at all. Just like sitting around in a goat-clamp stance isn't a waste of my time. It's just a vehicle to get where Wing Chun wants you to go.

Sincerely,
Couch

[sihing]

No contradictions here couch. Will my YJKYM stance be formed while I use it in fighting, YES. You said that, quote couch "It would be impossible to fight if I were to drag my feet while fighting, but I feel that the reason I drag my foot and push it hard into the ground while stepping is a training exercise". I use my YJKYM stance all the time in training and if really fighting, you use dragging the feet while training but find it impossible to use while fighting, so there is the contradiction, the comparison to the SLT training stance is not a good one. A better one would be the hand positions and uses of them in the Single/Double arm chi-sao methods of most WC practitioners. I always tell the students, for example when deflecting the inside Tan sao-->palm strike in Single arm/Double arm chi-sao, using a Jut sao, is just for the purpose of the drill and that you would never apply it this way literally in a real situation as movement would have to be applied with the actual footwork as well as other complimentary hand movements as well.

Also, Phil, if someone in your class was dragging their feet/foot, would you let them continue or correct them? If you correct them then you believe in one method being more effective than the other, rather than you just preferring it yourself for yourself. I don't believe there is anything wrong with stating something as a fact or more effective, as long as "IMO" is stated along with it.

Not looking to start something here either just stating some opinions on training methods and ideologies.

James