why is the section in SLT is called sam bai fut?

[yellowpikachu]

why is the section in SLT is called sam bai fut?

Why is it that some said this section training internal energy?

Which move is training internal energy?

[yellowpikachu]

Hello wcners

Dont be shy on sharing what everyone is doing in every training or almost in every training.

What is the purpose of that sam pai fut practice?

[stuartm]

Hi,

The 3 fook / wu section is known as '3 prayers to buddha' or san pai fut. Some people say that the Wu sau is a good indication that WC originated from Siu Lam as the monks apparently bow with a similar hand shape to wu sau, pressed against the chest.

As for training 'internal' energy, the whole of the first section is generally accepted as focusing the 'internal' side. i.e drawing in the breath from the dan tien, gung lik in the elbow, sinking, rooting.

Dont worry too much about intepretation - you will never find a wholehearted consensus. Just find a good teacher and practice hard, in time you will make SLT your own and realise that there is more than one set way to practice.

Best wishes, Stuart

[Tom Kagan]

I've never called that section SaamBaiFaht. Of course, others do.

I do call the last portion of BiuJee SaamBaiFaht, however. It has a virtually identical resemblance to about half of the full motion of a monk's prayer bow prostrations. Some Ving Tsun practitioners call the entire BiuJee form SaamBaiFaht.

If you want to discuss the first section of SiuNimTao, okay. However, if you want to discuss the nature of SaamBaiFaht in relation to Ving Tsun Kung Fu, I feel it would be better to discuss BiuJee.

[Vajramusti]

Tom Kagan sez:

if you want to discuss the nature of SaamBaiFaht in relation to Ving Tsun Kung Fu, I feel it would be better to discuss BiuJee.
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Si

[stuartm]

Just for the record, we dont call it anything, but i habe heard it called that elsewhere. Dont the Weng Chun people call it that. Maybe Andreas Hoffman could enlighten us?

Regards, Stu

[yellowpikachu]

Originally posted by Vajramusti
Tom Kagan sez:

if you want to discuss the nature of SaamBaiFaht in relation to Ving Tsun Kung Fu, I feel it would be better to discuss BiuJee.
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Si

why so?

[Vajramusti]

Not everyone calls it sam pai fut.

Some use the term for the first 3 slt moves because of the three single wu-s with intent for each hand.

Some Others who developed beyond the slt used the term for the final section of biu jee.. because there are two palms in prayer like positions done with sinking and rising motions- as though one is doing the regular ritual of 3 prayers to the buddha.

Some dont use the term at all. Some are interested in the semiotics and the meaning of mudras. Others are just interested in the martial benefit. To each his own.

[VingDragon]

simple question and simple answer:

all forms like a SLT, ChK, BCh and MJ are modern. They were created not long time ago, (perhabs 80-100 years ago) but they comes originaly from other forms like Weng Chun Kuen or Saam Pai Fut which are separated.

Saam Pai Fut is a traditional form of Weng Chun style and it includes a part called "three bows to Budda"

[PaulH]

Just curious, what is the meaning of the three bows to Buddha?

[Vajramusti]

Sorry. Wengchun ad wing chun are different things.
Praying thrice to the Buddha is a common ritual and is no one's monopoly.

[yellowpikachu]

Originally posted by PaulH
Just curious, what is the meaning of the three bows to Buddha?

Historically,

In 1854, Liu Duchuan (Lao Doo-Chuen), brother of Guangdong Three Harmonies Society member and Shanghai Xiaodaohui (Siu Do Wui, Small Knife Society) leader, Liu Lichuan (Lao Lee-Chuen), http://www.wingchunkuen.com/why/arti..._shanghai.html
was sent back to Guangdong (which had been charged with paying 80.6% of the Opium War reparations) to help organize an uprising in support of the Taiping. In June, He Liu (Ho Lok), a smuggler and society member whose brother had been murdered in a prefectural purge, began to raise a band of men in search of vengeance. Helped by Liu Yingcai (Lao Ying-Choi), he prepared to attack the Dongguan county seat.

They moved on Stone Dragon town. Thirty thousand members and six hundred boats worked towards the goal of "taking down the Dragon, lifting the tiger, stopping the goat, bowing the Buddha, and reaching the Western paradise."

In this code, dragon signified the Stone Dragon, tiger the Tiger Gate, goat the Goat City (Guangzhou), Buddha the Buddha Mountain (Foshan), and Western Paradise the province of Guangxi.


He Liu's uprising began a chain reaction through the region, and on June 11, 1854, Chen Kai (Chan Hoi) and Liu Duchuan lead 7000 Three Harmonies Society members to revolt in Foshan. On June 12th, members of the Precious Jade Flower Union, under the direction of Li Wenmao, took to the streets in full costume, waving red banners. A few hundred at first, within a few days, tens of thousands of common people joined as well, showing their allegiance with red turbans. And the Hung Gam (Hong Jin, Red Turban) Rebellion was born..........

[VingDragon]

Originally posted by Vajramusti
Wengchun ad wing chun are different things.

I agree but today's Wing Chun becomes from Weng Chun

[PaulH]

How did this Red Turban rebellion in Foshan have any relevance in the Sam bai fut of SLT though? Why did the creator(s)? of SLT want to have it in there? Thanks, Picassoo! =)

[Vajramusti]

The connection is not clear- yet.