Does Anybody Know Chinese kung Fu that went to Japan in the last 1500 years

[FIRE HAWK]

Does anybody know of Chinese Martial arts that might have found there way to a cross the sea to Japan in the last 1500 years ? iI herd that there were Buddhist temples in Japan with statues of monks in fighting poses and that Chinese martial arts made there way across the sea to Japan and that japanese Buddhist monks practiced some kind of martial arts in temples there any ideas on what these Chinese martial arts might be that went to Japan from China that these Buddhist monks practiced in the last 1500 years ?

[red_fists]

Try that question on E-Budo. I think those guys might have more info on the history of CMA in Japan than the guys here.

[fiercest tiger]

Have you tried to look into the Bubushi book? i know it has some info there.

FT

[johnv]

The Bubishi is about Okinawan arts, not Japanese.

As far as Chinese kung fu going to Japan, I'm sure it happened but it was probably more likely that the Japanese went to China to learn and then took it back with them.

[sean_stonehart]

According to oral histories & legends, there was some migration at the T'ang dynasty start of the Five Dynasties dynasty from China to Japan. It was purportedly miltary & their families leaving due to the upheavals. They settled in the interior of Japan & ended up teaching what they knew to locals as well.

A figure from the same time frame was known as Cho Gyokko, who was described as a "master of the Shorin tradition". Shorin=Shaolin.

This information is available in one of Hatsumi Masaaki's books concerning the Bujinkan & its traditions.

[NorthernMantis]

From what I have heard I only know three styles that have been modified to today's karate.

Goju-ryu comes from white crane.

Shorin-ryu comes from shao lin as sean_stoneheart (cool name) said.

Plus I also heard of some style which name I forgot comes from hung ga.

However shotokan is more Japanesized (is that a word?) and has less Chinese influence.

[dezhen2001]

you also forgot Shorinji Kempo which was an art developed after the war (WW2) from Shaolin Quan...

david

[red_fists]

If any styles entered Japan I would assume it would have come over with some Buddhist monks that taught Buddhism here.

So Shao-Lin is a good bet and guess those Skills would have been inrocporated into some Ju-jutsu and Koryu styles.
Japan also has some "internal styles" and I would assume that might have been influenced by CMA.

There would have been a few hundred years where connections to China broke of when Japan tried to erase any religion besides shinto.

Notes on Okinawa.
RyuKyu (an independent kingdom) imported chinese styles and modified them(Tang Dynasty). They have a very strong chinese influence there.

When Japan occupied and annexed RyuKyu around 1900, they changed the name to Okinawa. Around 1927 Funakoshi imported To-Te(china/tang-hand) into Japan and called it Kara-Te.
Corrections anyone.

[FIRE HAWK]

I have also herd that there is old manuscripts or manuals in these old Buddhist temples that have writeing and pictures showing and talking about these martial arts some of these Manuscripts and manuals have not been released to the public and are kept secret in these Buddhist temples and in certain Japanese familys .

[red_fists]

FireHawk.

That is highly likely.

Most Temples and shrines over here are owned by families and when a Head Priest retires, he normally passes the Temple and everything on to his Son.

A lot of MA in Japan was also taught at Shrines and Temples.
Same as in China those were often places of learning for the general public.

Did you ask over on E-Budo, quiet a few CMA Guys there aswell.

[HopGar]

I heard Kyushinkai-ryu came from Fukien white crane.
I think there is a detailed history on cyberkwoon.

Peace Y'all

[red_fists]

Hi.

May I assume that you are not interested in the last 100 yrs.

In that time period many CMA have found their place within Japan.

Most of those were brought back by Japanese Soldiers & scholars that went abroad during wars & occupation times.

In modern day Japan, CMA is fairly wide spread.
Many styles retain the Original Chinese Characters?Name, but the reading of the Kanji is done the Japanese way.
Ex.:
Tai Chi Chuan = Tai kyoku Ken
and so on.

[FIRE HAWK]

Any of those years would be interesting .I have not had a chance to ask on E-Budo yet .

[kei lun]

Kung Fu in Japan? Well there is; and it came from 2 sources.

First, the Kung Fu system �gFive Ancestor Fist / Ng Cho Keun�h has 5 styles within it. One style, snake/crane, was brought to Okinawa over a hundred years ago and it developed into Goju Ryu Karate, the first style of Karate. They really do look alike and are often compared.

Second, in the 1940�fs or 50�fs, a Japanese named �gDoshin So�h came to China and stayed in Shaolin for I think 17 years. I believe he was a soldier or spy or something like that. Anyway, 17 years later he came back to Japan and introduced the Shaolin arts to the nation, however it was greatly mixed with jujitsu and other Japanese stuff and doesn�ft look like �gKung Fu�h in anyway. He named this style/version Shorinji Kenpo, which is Japanese for Shaolinxi Chuanfa.

This is the only Kung Fu in history that has come to Japan. Except for what has come here in recent years. Most popular kung fu styles here now are Baji Chuan, Taiji Chuan, and Wushu.

[dezhen2001]

hi Kei Lun, the Shorinji Kempo was what i was referring to above. It was founded in 1947 just after the war, as a way to develop the 'spirit' of the Japanese people A very good skill imo

david