You be the judge.........

[SifuAbel]

You be the judge.....

Neil's answer on cyberkwoon.

Abel,
I don't have a problem with you doing what you think is right. If following me around the internet, ringing the old "watch out he's a sex offender" bell makes your day, then by all means do it. I hope it makes you feel good.
I do have a problem with you spreading lies. You are spouting facts you have gotten from second hand sources and from the Tulsa World of all things. The Tulsa World is a notoriously innacurate newspaper in this area. They are funded by the conservative right wing leaders in the area who also back the D.A. who prosecuted my case. If you truly are interested in the truth, contact me by e-mail, because I have no other wish to discuss this topic on this forum. I come here to discuss martial arts related topics. If you email I will provide you with court transcripts or whatever is necessary, even if it means getting you in contact with my prosecuting judge, to prove to you that I was proven innnocent beyond a doubt in the case of the 8 year old girl who was assaulted. I can also provide you with lie detector exam results by the local sex offense therapist that prove that I commited only one case of indecent exposure, but
pleaded guilty to two others for part of a plea bargaining with the D.A. for a reduction of sentence. If you truly are interested, e-mail me, but all of this is confidential info and I don't want you spreading it around the internet anymore.
In fact, I would appreciate it if you don't talk about me on the internet anymore. You too, Ffab. Please don't air my dirty laundry just because you think you have the power to do so. If either of you have any self respect and honor as martial artists you will consider my request that you drop all talk of me. So, Abel, if you ever want to continue this conversation again, e-mail me at cameron_joe@hotmail.com Otherwise, I will see you on the other forums in martial art and fighting related topics.
-TulsaWingChun.

[red_fists]

Pls, let it rest.

I guess by now ever member here has got the Message you wanted to get across initially.

[SifuAbel]

You mean let the alledged sex offender rest?

Only if he rests in your house.

Just like TV brother, You don't like it switch the station.

[red_fists]

Oh, I can switch the Channel, but this still is a Kung Fu related Board.
Your recent Posts/Threads got nothing to do with Kung Fu or are even closely related.

People come here to discuss Kung Fu, not see someone go off on a personal vendetta/grudge.

Don't like it, change the Channel or turn the Volume down yourself.

[SifuAbel]

Gods, I can almost see the snot running down that whiney face of yours. Freaking puzzy.

[red_fists]

Let me put it this way.

When "Neal Cameron" gets on this Board again we can worry about him.
And I am sure that the KFO moderators will deal with him as they see fit.
Until than he is not a real KFO problem.

If he is on CK and you don't like it, take
it up with their Moderator/s, or leave CK.

If you wanna get him of the Net, go to the authorities and try your luck there.

Nuff said.

[scotty1]

I see what is happening here. As I write this, this thread has had 75 views, and only Red Fists has responded. Now, those people that viewed this thread MUST have had an opinion on the subject.
Why didn't they post? Who knows? But I suspect it has something to do with coming in for abuse from Abel's side if the viewpoint is not "drown Neal Cameron NOW!!"

However, Red Fists obviously doesn't care enough to reply, and it seems a little unfair that he is the only one doing that and copping all the flak for it.

Everybody else is obviously tired of this issue and can't be bothered to respond.

I agree with you Abel, but I also agree with Red Fist's last post.

You're fighting a losing battle. Everybody knows about Neal, everybody here, everyone on Cyberkwoon, but he's not going to be banned from CK (Fabb says so) so lets just write it off and get back to fighting talk, yeah?

If you want to keep it up send a mail to the Tulsa Police telling them that Neals on CK. If it is illegal, they'll do something about it.

BTW, I think everyone admires your upstanding citizenship.
Keep it up. But not on KFO

[red_fists]

Scotty1.

I do care, but have to say as well.

1.) NC is not on KFO and therefor what he does on CK has NO impact on me.
2.) I don't have the legal details of what NC can do or cannot do.
I also doubt SA and other Posters here have them.
3.) SA and other Posters here appear to be on a witch hunt and simply go from pre-conceived ideas based on experiences.
4.) I have full trust in the moderators of both CK and KFO to do the right things.
5.) I do not condemn People according to what other people on the Net tell me, unless they can provide 100% solid proof and postings on the Net are not that.
I am talking Police, court and other legal proofs & records.
Or even Computer trace logs
6.) Neither SA nor any of the other Posters here are moderators or any form of authority on CK or KFO and thus their Opinions are just that.

Just my view.

[internal mind]

he says he ONLY comes on to discuss martial arts dosn't mean he won't be tempted to "draw his weapon."

[red_fists]

Who am I more likely to believe.
(Yep, I read the Thread started by SA on CK)

Ok, lets see SA and other come out guns blazing, stake ready to burn NC and the fire has been lit.
Claim that NC is barred from the Internet, but don't appear to have ANY proof of it, besides their own desire to see him banned.
But on the other Hand they seem to KNOW what really happened beyond what was prooven by the Justice System & Police.

Whereas, NC appears to be calm and willing to share "legal" information as to his conviction and legal proceedings.
Ffab, who is the owner and moderator of CK and who is willing to let NC talk MA as long as he behaves and "not draws his weapon". NC also doesn't try to hide his convictions and is open about what has happened.

Hmm, let's see. To be fair to everone .....

I believe neither side 100%.


But I elect SA for President. He seems to know everything and has the answers to all the problems.

[Badger]

People who just let it rest, turn their head & ignore it because it doesnt effect them, Or their hearts are so FULL of forgiveness(BS) are the whole reason these scumbag SOBs keep doing this crap.


It because of these forgiving a-holes that these first time offensers go out & kidnap & murder.

We need to stand together, change laws, make sure that these sub-humans stay away from our children.


First time offense they should be executed.
They should not be given the chance to molest,kidnap & murder again.

SifuAbel, I am behind you 100%!

Badger

[Ryu]

Hey....was this an old post?
Is this new or was this posted a long time ago?

I'm losing my mind.


Ryu

[Budokan]

Neil Cameron says he's innocent. I guess that proves it, huh?

Badger is right. Never let it rest. The only thing turning the other cheek gets you is slapped twice.

Never let it rest. Never.

[Budokan]

Then again, the phrase "turning the other cheek" means something else to Cameron than it does to most people....

[Sharky]

uh huh. " turn the other cheek and i'll break your fu.cking jaw "