Question about Chi

[Yoshiyahu]

Originally Posted by HumbleWCGuy

Jim, YOU have embarrassed yourself ridiculously in this thread. I hope that the mods will take pity on you and delete this thread.

Do you disagree with Jim? Why is that? what is your opinion to my question Humble guy. Please show us how Jim is wrong. What is the answer to my question?

Originally Posted by Hendrik

As I know Jim speak the facts may be he has a different facts then you. But it is certainly not ridiculous.

Thank you Hendrik for agreeing with someone.

Originally Posted by Hendrik

Jim,


See, I told you it is much much much better to told everyone to go Baisi?

What do you get by telling the truth? hahahaha


boy, i like this song hahaha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkoX8CmHXew

Sometimes standing up for the truth gets you persecution. But its better to stand up than to cowar in the corner somewhere!

[HumbleWCGuy]

Yoshiyahu
I don't believe in chi. If you operate in that world, I am sure that Jim is accurately answering your questions. Although, I would prefer to work with someone other people who have chimed in because they seem to be willing to operate in both worlds. Irrespective of my beliefs about the existence of chi, as Joy wisely pointed out, you don't have to believe in chi to receive the benefits of training. I believe he said, to do the training and, "the chi will take care of itself." I do believe that the training has benefits which are often demonstrated.

As for embarrassing himself, Jim has demonstrated a low standard for what he deems as evidence and a penchant for insults when all else fails.

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by HumbleWCGuy

Yoshiyahu
I don't believe in chi. If you operate in that world, I am sure that Jim is accurately answering your questions. Although, I would prefer to work with someone other people who have chimed in because they seem to be willing to operate in both worlds. Irrespective of my beliefs about the existence of chi, as Joy wisely pointed out, you don't have to believe in chi to receive the benefits of training. I believe he said, to do the training and, "the chi will take care of itself." I do believe that the training has benefits which are often demonstrated.

As for embarrassing himself, Jim has demonstrated a low standard for what he deems as evidence and a penchant for insults when all else fails.

It is not true that one needs to believe in Chi and it is also not true you don't have to believe in chi to receive the benefits of training.


Chi is like a hand, without knowing and having the hand one cannot move it. thus, there is no benifit.

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by Yoshiyahu

Sometimes standing up for the truth gets you persecution. But its better to stand up than to cowar in the corner somewhere!

The issue now is if anyone follow the instruction to train it. Who's responsibility to make sure things are train properly?

[anerlich]

hahaha, how long have you train IMA? which IMA? how many hours a day your practice? practice what? Who is your sifus?

I don't need to explain or justify my training to you. Go hug a post.

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by anerlich

In my estimation I've spent more time training IMA directly than either Hendrik or yourself, and IMO it has WAY TOO MUCH to do with mystical crap.

An empty claim, isnt it? hahahaha

[Lee Chiang Po]

Chi does in fact exist. I think that none believers are actually looking for something else, that obviously is not to be found. It is not some force that allows one to strike an enemy from a distance, and it cannot project from your body in any way. Chi is your energy field. When you eat well and exercise to make your muscles more effient at using that food energy and oxygen, you are actually cultivating your chi. If you get up the morning after a bender you will find your chi low. If you eat well and get a good nights rest, you awake with a high chi. You are simply more energetic. That is your chi.
You can not project your chi outside your body to smite an enemy at a distance. This can not happen in any case. You can however focus your chi. It is done in every form of martial art that I am aware of. With a fairly relaxed body you strike out, and at the instant of the impact you force out a bit of breath to aid in bringing the core, or abdomen to focus your energy up the striking arm. This only lasts a fraction of a second, and with practice can be done in rapid seccession. This is the way you use your chi. The only way.
If you flex and strain your body as you are attempting to focus your chi, it will radiate in that direction and will quickly drain, making you tired. The ability to focus your chi allows you to meter your energy out with less of a drain, which can help you in endurance. The skill of technique will also help you use your chi more efficiently. I think that this is what everyone is looking for. With constant application of certain techniques you can develop such skill and flow that when you apply your chi the force of energy behind the stike is such that it can literally destroy a persons vitals. This ability is not some mystical magic, but your very own energy being focused into an action that you have practiced over and over until you can do it smoothly and with absolute form and accuracy.
I used to perform a parlor trick when everyone else was breaking boards and bricks. I would have a single 1ftx1ft board, and anyone could break that with ease, but not the way I was doing it. I would take and shove a tack into 2 corners and tie a single strand of cotton sewing thread between them. I would then hang this. The grain was across of course, as breaking it with the grain would require a large hammer. I could hold my hand about 4 inches from the board and knock off 2 inch pieces starting at the bottom, without breaking the thread. The hanging wood would not even swing. Many people that had been breaking bricks and boards of pretty thick stacks could not do that without breaking the thread first. The board would just go flying away as the thread broke. Talk was that I was actually shooting it off with my chi, which of course is silly. It was just something I had learned to do with a great deal of practice. Nothing more, except that I did apply my chi as I focused the finger tip strike on the board.
As far as TCM and accupuncture and all that stuff, I have a great deal of faith in some of it. The flow of your chi allows knowledgable people to alter this flow by use of tiny needles and massage that enhances your body's ability to heal itself. A really nasty injury can heal up by itself given time, and by use of this channeling it can be given more of what it might need to heal. Now lets talk about Dim Mak.

LCP

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by Lee Chiang Po

it cannot project from your body in any way. Chi is your energy field. When you eat well and exercise to make your muscles more effient at using that food energy and oxygen, you are actually cultivating your chi. If you get up the morning after a bender you will find your chi low. If you eat well and get a good nights rest, you awake with a high chi. You are simply more energetic. That is your chi.

Chi is more than the above.

Chi is an evoke able energy flow which is can be directed with your will.

Chi needs to be cultivated in a certain way. For it can get stuck and it can dissipate and it can get drain and the body can be very in efficient to strengthen them.

[Lee Chiang Po]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

Chi is more than the above.

Chi is an evoke able energy flow which is can be directed with your will.

Chi needs to be cultivated in a certain way. For it can get stuck and it can dissipate and it can get drain and the body can be very in efficient to strengthen them.

Hendrik, I have said all this, and there is no more. I have been kicking this thing around for a long time, and I have yet to see a single person evoke chi other than what I just described. It can not be projected outside the body. I am sure that in western terms it can be completely explained should someone actually decide to do some serious research, but I don't think they are going to find anything magical at all. I can evoke my chi. I can evoke my chi as I throw a punch. An extremely hard punch. But should one stand a mere inch out of my reach he will not feel the effects of my chi.
If you would be so kind as to explain to me what you do when you evoke your chi. What do you use it to do in other words. I mean if you can evoke it and direct it, where do you direct it and what does it do? What would be your purpose in doing so? Make it simple and please don't talk in riddles again.

LCP

[Hendrik]

I have said all this, and there is no more. I have been kicking this thing around for a long time, and I have yet to see a single person evoke chi other than what I just described. It can not be projected outside the body. I am sure that in western terms it can be completely explained should someone actually decide to do some serious research, but I don't think they are going to find anything magical at all. I can evoke my chi. I can evoke my chi as I throw a punch. An extremely hard punch. But should one stand a mere inch out of my reach he will not feel the effects of my chi.

That is your definition.
The question is have you learn and train from a legitimate school or teacher?
For me you was never expose to real Qigong which comes proper concept, the process to achieve result, and training.

If you would be so kind as to explain to me what you do when you evoke your chi.

All Qigong practioner uses Intention to evoke the qi.

What do you use it to do in other words. I mean if you can evoke it and direct it, where do you direct it and what does it do? What would be your purpose in doing so?

Qigong means cultivate, Grow, smoothing the flow of Qi for various purpose from medical to strengthening.... to martial arts.....etc.

[Yoshiyahu]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

That is your definition.
The question is have you learn and train from a legitimate school or teacher?
For me you was never expose to real Qigong which comes proper concept, the process to achieve result, and training.







All Qigong practioner uses Intention to evoke the qi.






Qigong means cultivate, Grow, smoothing the flow of Qi for various purpose from medical to strengthening.... to martial arts.....etc.

Hendrik what is song of Sung?

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by Yoshiyahu

Hendrik what is song of Sung?

Dont understand what are you asking.

[dirtyrat]

Here's an article about Chinese military training during the Ming dynasty based on honest research...

http://seinenkai.com/articles/henning/qijiguang.pdf

an excerpt from that article I found interesting:

Although boxing, with its agile movements, was considered to be the foundation for weapons use, it was only one element in (General) Qi’s overall training regimen. The training regimen included: maintaining an overall strong fighting constitution (through remaining “lean and mean”); strong hands and arms through training with heaver than normal weapons; strong feet and legs through running over 600 yards without gasping for breath an, using ankle weights (bags of sand) while running; and overall bodily strength and endurance by training while weighted down with heavier than normal armor. [5] Strength, endurance, and agility were physical traits prized in the Chinese military from earliest times. Weight lifting, long distance running, jumping, climbing, and swimming were among the activities associated with military training and martial arts prowess over the centuries. [6] However, this does not mean that brute strength was considered the determining factor in battle. To the contrary, brain was favored over brawn in the tactics of hand-to-hand combat.

No mention of qigong training here. just good old fashion hard training.

On a side note, I have a friend who grew up during the early days of communist China. He said there was a time when food was scarce. So the government encouraged the practice of taijiquan and qigong exercises. My friend said that because food was lacking, people in general didn't have the strength to do "hard" exercises. Perhaps this could explain how taijiquan and qigong became a widespread practice.

[Lee Chiang Po]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

That is your definition.
The question is have you learn and train from a legitimate school or teacher?
For me you was never expose to real Qigong which comes proper concept, the process to achieve result, and training.

All Qigong practioner uses Intention to evoke the qi.

Qigong means cultivate, Grow, smoothing the flow of Qi for various purpose from medical to strengthening.... to martial arts.....etc.

Well, he taught for over 50 years. That is what he did in China and in the US until he retired from that. I suppose he was a legitimate teacher. Probably more teaching credentials than most people I know of. He taught for an organization and must have taught over a thousand people. People that made a living with what he taught them.
Using intention to evoke chi. That is talking in riddles again. This is what I am talking about. Any time you go to slug someone you pretty much intend to, right? And if you can then focus your energy, or chi, you are evoking it, right? So what is wrong here? Maybe if I talked in riddles you would agree with me. No, I doubt that. It is easy to say no one else knows anything at all, but then you need to show them that you do know what you are talking about, and talking in riddles will not do that for me. I am really sorry about that, but you really need to stop that and talk like you mean it.

[Lee Chiang Po]

Originally Posted by dirtyrat

Here's an article about Chinese military training during the Ming dynasty based on honest research...

http://seinenkai.com/articles/henning/qijiguang.pdf

an excerpt from that article I found interesting:



No mention of qigong training here. just good old fashion hard training.

On a side note, I have a friend who grew up during the early days of communist China. He said there was a time when food was scarce. So the government encouraged the practice of taijiquan and qigong exercises. My friend said that because food was lacking, people in general didn't have the strength to do "hard" exercises. Perhaps this could explain how taijiquan and qigong became a widespread practice.

If you will note, competing athletes seldom look like the Pillsberry Dough Boy. They are an efficient muscle mass that has strong chi. But, if you can not do really hard exercuses because of inadequite food supplies the next best thing would be to do exercises that will tone muscle and allow them to feed and breath efficiently. This in itself will make one more athletic than the dough boy. I have known people that do nothing more than stretching and breathing exercises that are way stronger than the average man.