The heavybager vs. The formser

[uki]

Originally Posted by Dragonzbane76

speaking of tree's, isn't your head made of wood?

well, i was born in the elemental year of wood... this might explain the two broken hands that two different people recieved from punching me in the head during some scuffles.

on another note... i whacked myself in my left temple with the end of my 21lb iron bar. i mean i was swinging that thing around like a madman doing form and i nailed myself square on - i did not knock myself out, i did not swell up, no bruise, nada, nothing... i was sore for a few hours, but that was it.

[Scott R. Brown]

Originally Posted by uki

well, i was born in the elemental year of wood... this might explain the two broken hands that two different people recieved from punching me in the head during some scuffles.

on another note... i whacked myself in my left temple with the end of my 21lb iron bar. i mean i was swinging that thing around like a madman doing form and i nailed myself square on - i did not knock myself out, i did not swell up, no bruise, nada, nothing... i was sore for a few hours, but that was it.

Maybe you're an Ent!

[taai gihk yahn]

Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown

Maybe you're an Ent!

well, when we met it did take him about 12 hours for him to introduce himself and agree that we were not orcs...

[Scott R. Brown]

Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn

well, when we met it did take him about 12 hours for him to introduce himself and agree that we were not orcs...

And he does work an awful lot on rooting!

[Drake]

Originally Posted by uki

well, i was born in the elemental year of wood... this might explain the two broken hands that two different people recieved from punching me in the head during some scuffles.

on another note... i whacked myself in my left temple with the end of my 21lb iron bar. i mean i was swinging that thing around like a madman doing form and i nailed myself square on - i did not knock myself out, i did not swell up, no bruise, nada, nothing... i was sore for a few hours, but that was it.

TBI doesn't always manifest itself instantly. You may want to have it looked at. Electrocution works similarly, with people who felt fine when it happened dying later.

[uki]

Originally Posted by Drake

TBI doesn't always manifest itself instantly. You may want to have it looked at. Electrocution works similarly, with people who felt fine when it happened dying later.

whats TBI? this happened like 2 or three years ago.

[Vankuen]

Originally Posted by TAO YIN

Unsolved Mathematical Fighting Question....

James has a heavy bag that he beats every day, as hard as he can, over and over again. Jack has a practical form that he plays every day as hard as he can, over and over again. They both train equally time wise, agression wise, and all that other wise. With regards to what they are doing in their training, both have good structure, equally. Neither men have ever had a fight. Who wins and why?

Winner: Bag Hitter
Why: Because he has a better grasp of what it takes to hit effectively and with power. If training the heavy bag properly, he will have been practicing with his guard up, using evasive manuvers and footwork, and hit with varying amounts of power. The byproduct is a better sense of what it takes to hit effectively, and the overall cardio on a heavy bag produces better results than doing forms in my experience.

All too often people who only punch the air will collapse their form when they hit something solid--sometimes even hurting themselves.

[uki]

Originally Posted by Vankuen

Winner: Bag Hitter
Why: Because he has a better grasp of what it takes to hit effectively and with power. If training the heavy bag properly, he will have been practicing with his guard up, using evasive manuvers and footwork, and hit with varying amounts of power. The byproduct is a better sense of what it takes to hit effectively, and the overall cardio on a heavy bag produces better results than doing forms in my experience.

All too often people who only punch the air will collapse their form when they hit something solid--sometimes even hurting themselves.

i swear there is some form of highly contagious and infectionous disease out there affecting most people... how exactly does bag-work teach evasive footwork better than doing form-work?? and why does everyone believe that if someone does forms that they only punch the air? and why do you think that people who do forms don't hit other stuff?? and what makes you believe that what appears to be "punching the air" is actually what is being done?? goodness gracious some of you people are astounding to say the least.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by uki

i swear there is some form of highly contagious and infectionous disease out there affecting most people... how exactly does bag-work teach evasive footwork better than doing form-work?? and why does everyone believe that if someone does forms that they only punch the air? and why do you think that people who do forms don't hit other stuff?? and what makes you believe that what appears to be "punching the air" is actually what is being done?? goodness gracious some of you people are astounding to say the least.

Maybe because the original question was about one of them only doing forms and one only doing pad work...?

Because the bag moves and using it properly entails you moving around with it, dodging it as it comes at you, making sure you are in range all the time as it moves.

It does not matter what your intent is, if the move is done in the air then you are not getting any feedback in terms of correct distance, impact, body alignment that you would when hitting a bag

Its not rocket science for gods sake

[Dragonzbane76]

swear there is some form of highly contagious and infectionous disease out there affecting most people... how exactly does bag-work teach evasive footwork better than doing form-work?? and why does everyone believe that if someone does forms that they only punch the air? and why do you think that people who do forms don't hit other stuff?? and what makes you believe that what appears to be "punching the air" is actually what is being done?? goodness gracious some of you people are astounding to say the least.

yes uki everyone else is wrong and your right....

how does bag work teach evasive footwork... apparently you've never done it if you have to even ask that question.

and why does everyone believe that if someone does forms that they only punch the air?

because you do not have a resistant target..duh...

and why do you think that people who do forms don't hit other stuff??

wasn't part of the original statement Bag vs. forms

and what makes you believe that what appears to be "punching the air" is actually what is being done??

this sentence makes no sense...

goodness gracious some of you people are astounding to say the least.

I wouldn't say astounding in your case... just hardheaded and not willing to listen to the general status quo.

[bawang]

who would win in a cage fight
royce gracie or guan gong the god of war

[Dragonzbane76]

i'm going with posidon the lord of the sea....

[Vankuen]

Originally Posted by Frost

Maybe because the original question was about one of them only doing forms and one only doing pad work...?

Because the bag moves and using it properly entails you moving around with it, dodging it as it comes at you, making sure you are in range all the time as it moves.

It does not matter what your intent is, if the move is done in the air then you are not getting any feedback in terms of correct distance, impact, body alignment that you would when hitting a bag

Its not rocket science for gods sake

Thanks...couldn't have said it better myself.

[Ray Pina]

The problem we are having is that a lot of traditional guys like to make sharp, snappy movements in the air to hear their gi, Chinese jacket or some other garment snap.

The thing these types don't understand is that it doesn't snap unless you jerk the strike back, which reduces power, not enhances it.


Then you have the other school of thought, that prides themselves on knowing this so they like to do form and stomp the ground.... also wrong. If your weight is landing heavy on your front foot it is not going into the target.

Form can actually train bad habits if not watched closely by a keen-eyed expert. Too many people think they are expert when they are not. Too many people think they are expert and are not and teach. Too many people too willing to be taught by an expert that aint really an expert that this snapping and foot stomping occur.

Expert martial artists get that way by fighting. They may have their own private methods of training certain things but there's a reason to them.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Originally Posted by Ray Pina

The problem we are having is that a lot of traditional guys like to make sharp, snappy movements in the air to hear their gi, Chinese jacket or some other garment snap.

The thing these types don't understand is that it doesn't snap unless you jerk the strike back, which reduces power, not enhances it.


Then you have the other school of thought, that prides themselves on knowing this so they like to do form and stomp the ground.... also wrong. If your weight is landing heavy on your front foot it is not going into the target.

Form can actually train bad habits if not watched closely by a keen-eyed expert. Too many people think they are expert when they are not. Too many people think they are expert and are not and teach. Too many people too willing to be taught by an expert that aint really an expert that this snapping and foot stomping occur.

Expert martial artists get that way by fighting. They may have their own private methods of training certain things but there's a reason to them.

EX:
Fedor has lousy form in his strikes.
Silva is another that, when you see him do "forms" you'd think he couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag.