Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[bakxierboxer]

Obama did do a lot for the communities. I was there, I saw it. And you're right, it isn't really attributable to luck. It's more attributable to somebody caring enough about you to tell you that you can make it out of that environment and that there is something outside of the ghetto worth having.

I followed a link and spent more time than I wanted to trying to find out what Obama has actually accomplished.
To put it mildly, I am unimpressed.

And I did go back to try and give back. We started a community center in the middle of East Chicago, an off the streets club of sorts. We did after school tutoring, helped kids apply to colleges, showed them how to hunt out grants and scholarships, offered job resource training for those who weren't college bound, things like that. We got a lot of kids into college and gave a future to a lot of people who had none. What a waste of tax dollars, huh?

Since you say you got results, it wasn't a waste.
All too many of the grant-funded activities result in nothing worthwhile.

If you look closely enough, there's usually a lot of evidence of fraud, mismanagement and outright theft.
Due "those problems", I got an opportunity to "rescue" a CDBG and not only learned the buzzwords, but also how to "maximize" my results with "three-sies".

I also taught TCMA in the JEOPARDY program in LAs South Central area and managed to figure out how to incorporate "book larnin'" in a way the kids could appreciate and use.

[bakxierboxer]

Just-world fallacy.

Call it whatever you like.
The fact is that no one there is shackled to the walls.

[MasterKiller]

By paying for a State employee spouse's benefits, the Government is encouraging their employees to get married. It's the couples choice if they get married. There should not be a Government paid bonus for doing so. I also think that taxing married couples less than those who are not married is wrong as well.

Then your point is the State shouldn't pay benefits to anyone, including heterosexuals?

[1bad65]

Then your point is the State shouldn't pay benefits to anyone, including heterosexuals?

No, you once again missed my point. My point is that by giving the benifits to a MARRIED partner and not to an unmarried one, they are encouraging one behavior (marriage) over the other (living together) with taxpayer funded benefits.


I will be out of town the next few days with work. I'll be sure to check the thread when I return. You guys have a good weekend.

[MasterKiller]

No, you once again missed my point. My point is that by giving the benifits to a MARRIED partner and not to an unmarried one, they are encouraging one behavior (marriage) over the other (living together) with taxpayer funded benefits.

Right, so married heterosexuals shouldn't receive benefits either. That is what you are saying, no? The state should not encourage anyone to marry.

King of like how the government should not encourage people to go to private schools by offering them vouchers.

It's their choice, let them pay for it. Right?

[jo]

All too many of the grant-funded activities result in nothing worthwhile.

If you look closely enough, there's usually a lot of evidence of fraud, mismanagement and outright theft..

All to many Corporations who get millions in tax breaks indulge in activities which result in nothing but obscene profits...hello Big Oil!

Are the Fortune 500 immune from fraud, mismanagement and outright theft??...hellllo ENRON!

No one is a Saint.

- jo

[bakxierboxer]

All to many Corporations who get millions in tax breaks indulge in activities which result in nothing but obscene profits...hello Big Oil!

"millions in tax breaks"..... you mean they "get away" with "paying less" than they might otherwise pay?

OTOH, "obscene profits" are "worthwhile".... at least for those on the receiving end of them.

[SimonM]

"Co-operative" housing tends to be a sink-hole, since the denizens/residents seldom cooperate in their maintenance.

This has not been the trend in Canada, where co-operative housing has generally been very successful where implemented. I live in a co-op. It's very well maintained.

[bakxierboxer]

This has not been the trend in Canada, where co-operative housing has generally been very successful where implemented. I live in a co-op. It's very well maintained.

????
You trying to say this means that the denizens of Canuckistan are, by nature, better able to utilize Socialist hand-outs?
Who does "do" the maintenance?
Ditto for the "cooperation".

[Lucas]

my guess would be the maintinence guy.....

[Mas Judt]

All to many Corporations who get millions in tax breaks indulge in activities which result in nothing but obscene profits...hello Big Oil!

Are the Fortune 500 immune from fraud, mismanagement and outright theft??...hellllo ENRON!

No one is a Saint.

The difference jo, is that government takes our money at gunpoint, then fritters it away.

Corporations, and private owners as well earn their money through providing a product or service people want. Frankly, having the government take my money from me by force and waste it on enriching their buddies (including a few corporations out there) is simply immoral.

Really, you are diving into incoherence here - yes, some corporations break the law. Yes some have really good years, often after great risk and huge losses, so how you can call a profit 'obscene' is just stupid. Shareholders risked their money in that investment, if it took off great!

[MasterKiller]

The difference jo, is that government takes our money at gunpoint, then fritters it away.

Corporations, and private owners as well earn their money through providing a product or service people want. Frankly, having the government take my money from me by force and waste it on enriching their buddies (including a few corporations out there) is simply immoral.

Really, you are diving into incoherence here - yes, some corporations break the law. Yes some have really good years, often after great risk and huge losses, so how you can call a profit 'obscene' is just stupid. Shareholders risked their money in that investment, if it took off great!

If you are making record profits, bully for you, but you don't need my tax dollars to subsidize your business.

[Mas Judt]

I couldn't agree more...

[banditshaw]

Ahhhh nothing like some good old fashioned family values....lol.

http://cbs2.com/local/bristol.palin.levi.2.809574.html

[B-Rad]

lol, that guy looks like a real winner A non-issue when it comes to my vote though. I imagine Palin is less than thrilled with this guy, and he'll have to watch his step, especially if his mother in law ends up VP, lol. She doesn't strike me as being a hands off parent no matter what position she holds