A Good Answer???

[sanjuro_ronin]

so you're saying, you only have those four techniques? Take them out and you have nothing?
C'MON!

Never understood that mentality...how limited can a system be if you can't fight unless you use eye gouges, pixie dust and soiled diapers !

[tjmitch]

If you really want to have at least a few guys who compete in mma, you need to do two things.

1. get a bjj guy to run a program out of your school. You should have no problem finding a good purple belt who is looking for some extra cash.

2. have free sparring after every class, with mma rules. Obvioulsy not full contact, but give the guys who want too, time to use all of their stuff - and no stand ups. If someone wants to get off the floor, it is up to them to make it happen. If you want to be able to use 'kung fu' in a mma fight....you have to work at it.

[lkfmdc]

how many characters is 10 anyway?

[David Jamieson]

who's moderating these boards.

move this fricjing thing where it belongs.
IE onto the mma forum.

tt- grrrrr

[sunfist]

Look at a what a ring fight is:

Two people are standing there, in an enclosed square devoid of any obstacles. There is no need for immediate offence, so they move, they protect the integrity of their space with jabs and short kicks.

This is not the space in which my kung fu was designed to be used. If i were to be in such a space (which is unlikely), and for the sake of the argument had to respond with a 'traditional' technique, it would be a vital point strike, this is the logical way to use the tighter angles I work with to a least cause a flinch reaction, facilitating entry, maybe do damage. Failing at this, can I stay at that dancing range and try to slog it out with a 'sport' fighter? Sure, but im out of my comfort zone, and unless im much better than him or get lucky I will be minced.

Next time youre talking to someone in a bar or whatever, look at where you are relative to the other person, look at how both your hands are positioned. You can suddenly do all that useless traditional stuff that doesnt work. If they are closing on you, so much the better.

By which of course I mean I am a delusional hippy who plans to never, ever be in a fight. Oh, and Im overweight and wear anime T-shirts. Not to mention the acne...

[IronWeasel]

those are all "legal" moves in an mma fight.

Well, San Da doesn't allow elbows, for one. Various venues restrict sweeps to only one leg or the other. And I hate the large boxing-sized gloves.

Do you have any information about the other mma fights that allow all of those things?



Iron Weasel

[Knifefighter]

This is not the space in which my kung fu was designed to be used. If i were to be in such a space (which is unlikely), and for the sake of the argument had to respond with a 'traditional' technique, it would be a vital point strike, this is the logical way to use the tighter angles I work with to a least cause a flinch reaction, facilitating entry, maybe do damage. Failing at this, can I stay at that dancing range and try to slog it out with a 'sport' fighter? Sure, but im out of my comfort zone, and unless im much better than him or get lucky I will be minced. .

The sign of a good system is one that can be modified for use in any environment. Give a boxer a knife and he will be a scary dude by just employing that with his punching style. I can teach a BJJ guy to take on a stick guy in a matter of minutes. MMA can be used in the ring or in a bar with just a few modifications one direction or the other.

A system that has to rely on vital point strikes and can only be used in certain environments is sorely lacking.

[IronWeasel]

so you're saying, you only have those four techniques? Take them out and you have nothing?
C'MON!

Yep that's exactly what I said...I only know four techniques. But they are four NINJA techniques! So...I got THAT goin' for me (in caddyshack voice...)

Seriously, tho...I like those particular techniques, and they work well for me.

I suppose I could replace a sweep with a single leg takedown or
replace an elbow with a short back fist or
replace kneeing a downed opponent with a choke

But then some people would say that I'm not 'using my CMA' in the ring. The match would appear more like the BJJ/MMA of the UFC/San Da, etc.

[Knifefighter]

Yep that's exactly what I said...I only know four techniques. But they are four NINJA techniques! So...I got THAT goin' for me (in caddyshack voice...)

Seriously, tho...I like those particular techniques, and they work well for me.

I suppose I could replace a sweep with a single leg takedown or
replace an elbow with a short back fist or
replace kneeing a downed opponent with a choke

But then some people would say that I'm not 'using my CMA' in the ring. The match would appear more like the BJJ/MMA of the UFC/San Da, etc.

Fight MMA if you want to use those techniques.

BTW, how does using knees and elbows make you not look like an MMA fighter?

[bodhitree]

Fight MMA if you want to use those techniques.

BTW, how does using knees and elbows make you not look like an MMA fighter?

his knees and elbows are more deadly

[IronWeasel]

Fight MMA if you want to use those techniques.

M'kay. Would be interested to find a local venue...

BTW, how does using knees and elbows make you not look like an MMA fighter?

I was thinking more of the low leg sweeps...and maybe standing elbow shots.

Not so much 'not look like an MMA fighter', but maybe not look like a San Da fighter...as those are illegal, ie: elbows and knees (to a downed opponent).

I'm just saying that those are probably the best alternative to the strikes that I used as examples.

[IronWeasel]

his knees and elbows are more deadly

Well, they're packed full of Chi. Knee Chi. (Nietzsche?)

[TenTigers]

you can still do those techniques. Who says you have to go into some open competition? You could meet up with like-minded individuals and work from there. If you want to prove something to yourself, or to others,g'head. If you want to train all your tools, you don't have to go that route. Or you can find local smokers. Heck, you can even meet some pros, or former pros and work something out with them as well. There are so may routes. Look at the Dog Bros. But if yu feel you need to only do this in some sort of sanctioned organization's venue, then you have to make adjustments.

[cjurakpt]

pixie dust and soiled diapers !

who told you about our sect's secret weapons?

[sunfist]

The sign of a good system is one that can be modified for use in any environment. Give a boxer a knife and he will be a scary dude by just employing that with his punching style. I can teach a BJJ guy to take on a stick guy in a matter of minutes. MMA can be used in the ring or in a bar with just a few modifications one direction or the other.

A system that has to rely on vital point strikes and can only be used in certain environments is sorely lacking.

A boxer can exdend his knowledge to knife work, but he will still be dominated horribly in that regard by a kali exponent. Likewise a BJJ guy will be dominated in a stickfight, unless he is able to create his ideal range. As I stated above, the very nature of sport fighting IMHO negates TCMAs ideal range.

And I said that in such an environment it will be inferior to the styles who specialise in that way of fighting. Thats very different to saying it cant be used period, or that it relies upon vital point strikes. Lacking? certainly. But no more or less than any other style you care to mention, if you ask me.