Better Shuai jiao Sparring Video

[wiz cool c]

Thanks stonewarrior67.

[wiz cool c]

Good Stuff! I still think you bend over too much though. **

** I used to do the same thing**

Hi Water Dragon thanks for the addvice. I here so many things some from my teachers that I just don't listen to. I do what works for me. Wrestlers always lean foward from a clinch. In push hands no but Shuai Jiao is a form of wrestling. I never get thrown because of this. Other reasons yes but leaning forward if you have a good stance no problem. let me look for some wrestling videos where they are leaning foward.

[wiz cool c]

It was an interesting video. I'm sure you've posted this many times, but how long have you been training?

Fuzzly there are three new videos in this post. None of them have been posted before. I just filmed them a week and a half ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjE9TxjLXPM

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=wizcoolc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3feWc79RwsE

[wiz cool c]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azRGvgaIn8Y See leaning.

Water Dragon you are an Eagle Claw guy right. Shuai Jiao means wrestling. If you say Zhong Guo (chinese) Shuai jiao ( wrestle) Chinese wreslting.

[Fuzzly]

Let me rephrase.

I'm sure you've answered this question a lot, but how long have you been training?

[Knifefighter]

b.s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd0ydU9sV0M

and i checked. dogbrothers kalitudo features a guy doing a silat form. it's pretty nice too. also, if it's ok for fma to cross feet with weapons to set up angles, why not anyone else for thier purposes?

If they are using forms, they are wasting their time as much as your guys are.

[wiz cool c]

Let me rephrase.

I'm sure you've answered this question a lot, but how long have you been training?

I Shuai Jiao 1 year and maybe two or three month. In Martial arts about 20 years.

[Water Dragon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azRGvgaIn8Y See leaning.

Water Dragon you are an Eagle Claw guy right. Shuai Jiao means wrestling. If you say Zhong Guo (chinese) Shuai jiao ( wrestle) Chinese wreslting.

Naw, I did SC for about 5 years. Been doing Judo for 2 now.

[sanjuro_ronin]

b.s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd0ydU9sV0M

and i checked. dogbrothers kalitudo features a guy doing a silat form. it's pretty nice too. also, if it's ok for fma to cross feet with weapons to set up angles, why not anyone else for thier purposes?

Yes, they have have "forms" in their Kalitudo, the kali and escima I have been exposed to have forms too, though they are very, well, "unformalized" and very open to modifications as you go along.
I don't think they are "carved in stone".

[wiz cool c]

Knifefighter what do you think about the whole leaning and keeping your back straight in wrestling.

[Knifefighter]

Knifefighter what do you think about the whole leaning and keeping your back straight in wrestling.

As a general rule, leaning makes it harder for your opponent to take you down, but it also makes it harder for you to take him down, especially when you are using grips with clothing. The reason is that by standing straighter you can lift and unweight your opponent, making it easier to unbalance him. With clothing, you also have to worry less about your opponent changing levels and going for your legs, so you can afford to stand more upright.

Judo is definitely a "stand straighter" discipline, for the most part, while wrestling, due to the lack of clothing grips, is more concerned with keeping the legs further away and has more of a lean.

Sambo, on the other hand, is a sport that uses clothing grips and also uses more of a "bent over" type of stance and they have some killer throws. Although there is overlap, they tend to favor some different gripping than judo. It definitely is possible to develop a killer throwing game with this type of stance.

[Water Dragon]

Dale is correct. A couple other points on standing straight vs leaning. A lot of Judo and SC throws (any hip throw variation) require you to break your opponent at the waist and load him up. Standing straight makes it harder to do this to you. It also keeps you a little faster when you keep your head under your feet. I'm 6'1" so this works especially well for me. I didn't learn this in SC. The Judo guys worked this one into me, and it made a helluva difference for me.

There is a trade off though, like KF mentioned. Crouching makes you vulnerable to hip throws, and standing straight makes you vulnerable for leg singles and doubles.

[wiz cool c]

Some good points there from both of you . But i'll still experiment and see what works for me.

[Water Dragon]

Some good points there from both of you . But i'll still experiment and see what works for me.

That's the way to do it!

[Christopher M]

Compare what you were doing with the forms done in Bagua circle walking. Notice how many times they cross their legs (many) compared to how many times you and your opponent crossed your legs (zero).

You're mistaken: crossing your legs is a technical error in circlewalking. Also, it seems a bit peculiar to call circlewalking a form, since it's only two steps.