Latest gun Ban

[PangQuan]

i think the only predators that are hunted to extinction are those with pelts or some other expensive bodily part that people like to turn into fat old rich lady clothes.

but im sorry i think i derailed the thread a bit.


this was supposed to be about me being able to buy a gun so i can kill a mo fo for messin with my shiat!

[Black Jack II]

i can understand where your coming from, i just cant take life unless i have to. As long as you actually eat, and make use of the bones and pelts then its totally natural

I see that view. I just happen to relish the experiance of the hunt and happen to really enjoy the taste of wild duck, quail, pheasent, turkey and occasionally rabbit.

Now, I don't use the pelts nor bones but the flesh goes to a good use.

[PangQuan]

maybe if we put the human flesh to good use people wont mind guns so much....














i kid i kid

[FuXnDajenariht]

i dont think the majority of Americans even consider shooting someone as an option to tell you the truth. its atleast highly overestimated. how many NRA members are their actually out of our total population? and the NRA is another lobby just like any other. the only exception is with what in my opinion is an outdated constitutional law backing them. that law was made in a climate of war, with everyone in a revolutionary and rebellious mindstate unsure of what the fuute might bring.

needless to say times have changed. now you have militias thinking they will somehow one day have to overthrow the largest most technologically advanced military in the world with a few hunting weapons. violent revolutions haven't worked out to well. check the track record.

[PangQuan]

we just need to work on reaching a utopic society where all restaraunts are Taco Bell, and we chriogenically freeze our criminals. we will force everyone who does not agree to live in the sewers and eat rat burgers.

then when Wesley Snipes wakes up and tries to kill us all, Sylvester Stalone will bring back the firearm.


its a vicious cycle.

and what the h3ll is up with the d@mn 3 seashells.

[Black Jack II]

how many NRA members are their actually out of our total population

The NRA is not even close to a total showcase of all legal gun owners in America. I know plenty of firearm owners who are not members of that specific lobby, a lobby I do support however.

The bottom line is that firearm ownership is a sacred legacy of our countries liberity and there is a reason our fore fathers included in the second amendment to the Constitution the words,"shall not be infringed."

[FuXnDajenariht]

yes. to not be infringed by the British empire. it was a political statement.

[PangQuan]

suppose the U.S. put a ban on all guns.

would criminals still get them? yes.

then everyone would literally be forced to bring a knife to a gun fight.

its too easy to get ANYTHING in america illegally.

Im pretty sure there is a big ass ban on Heroine...but i just saw a news report that a local bust of 40 lbs. was just made.

that would be firearms instead, they would still be on the street, they would still be used in crime.

perhaps the % would change on how often a firearm is used in a hostile crime, but it wont go away.

what will go away will be every single instance where a legal gun owner saved his life or that of a family member because he was legally allowed to own a firearm and protect his family.

its a technological tool that you cannot simply snuff out. especially with how freaking large america is.

you think its easy to keep crap out of our country with how large our borders are? no way.

i dont own a gun but im all for keeping my right to do so if i ever want to.

[Crushing Fist]

Predators are not usually hunted to extinction because we generally don't eat them. They usually go extinct either because of habitat destruction or because their prey population is dwindled (either through over-hunting, disease, or habitat destruction).

You sure about that?


We don't eat them, true. We do kill them to protect our livestock though.

Wolves, Coyotes, etc...

We also kill them because we fear them

Sharks, Mountain Lions, etc.


I know these have not been hunted to extinction... but they came pretty close, and not at all through habitat loss or starvation.

[xcakid]

i dont think the majority of Americans even consider shooting someone as an option to tell you the truth. its atleast highly overestimated. how many NRA members are their actually out of our total population? and the NRA is another lobby just like any other. the only exception is with what in my opinion is an outdated constitutional law backing them. that law was made in a climate of war, with everyone in a revolutionary and rebellious mindstate unsure of what the fuute might bring.

needless to say times have changed. now you have militias thinking they will somehow one day have to overthrow the largest most technologically advanced military in the world with a few hunting weapons. violent revolutions haven't worked out to well. check the track record.

Surely you are not serious.

We are already eroding our free speech, eroding our personal privacy. By your statements you would rather hand over all control to the government. Let them tell you what you can think, do and go. Cause that is what the Constitution prevents.

Gun rights is there so that no one, not even the government, is to have full control of its citizens. Regardless of the situation. That is the same with all of the ammendments in the constitution.

You check the track record of socialism and complete government control. Dating back to the Midevil days when monarchs banned their subject, yes I said subjects not citizens, their right to bear arms/free speech/right to assemble. Then we move on to Stalins Russia, Communist Germany, and Germany under the rule of Hitler. Going back even to the Roman empire. A society that gives up its rights will no longer have a voice. You become subjects at that point.

The US Constitution is there so that the US citizens do not become subjects ever again. Yet there are people out there that are willing to give that up.

I suggest you live in a third world country for 10yrs. I bet you will learn to appreciate the Constitution so many people have died for so that you can spew this dribble you are spewing now without recourse.

Sad

[PangQuan]

i only hunt sharks with rock knives to prove my manhood.

[FuXnDajenariht]

Surely you are not serious.

We are already eroding our free speech, eroding our personal privacy. By your statements you would rather hand over all control to the government. Let them tell you what you can think, do and go. Cause that is what the Constitution prevents.

Gun rights is there so that no one, not even the government, is to have full control of its citizens. Regardless of the situation. That is the same with all of the ammendments in the constitution.

You check the track record of socialism and complete government control. Dating back to the Midevil days when monarchs banned their subject, yes I said subjects not citizens, their right to bear arms/free speech/right to assemble. Then we move on to Stalins Russia, Communist Germany, and Germany under the rule of Hitler. Going back even to the Roman empire. A society that gives up its rights will no longer have a voice. You become subjects at that point.

The US Constitution is there so that the US citizens do not become subjects ever again. Yet there are people out there that are willing to give that up.

I suggest you live in a third world country for 10yrs. I bet you will learn to appreciate the Constitution so many people have died for so that you can spew this dribble you are spewing now without recourse.

Sad

oh please...you still have your right to bear arms but yet these things are still happening? the erosion of freedoms is occurring because of our collective stupidity. pointing guns at elected officials wont help that. it'll probably have a negative backlash to allow further oppression all things considered. but you keep polishing that gun thinking its the solution to our problems.

[Black Jack II]

yes. to not be infringed by the British empire. it was a political statement.

There is your error. No it is not. It's a statement backing our fundamental right to bear arms. The original intent and purpose of the Second Amendment was to preserve and guarantee, not grant, the pre-existing right of individuals to keep and bear arms. Although the amendment emphasizes the need for a militia, membership in any militia, let alone a well-regulated one, was not intended to serve as a prerequisite for exercising the right to keep arms.

[xcakid]

oh please...you still have your right to bear arms but yet these things are still happening? the erosion of freedoms is occurring because of our collective stupidity. pointing guns at elected officials wont help that. it'll probably have a negative backlash to allow further oppression all things considered. but you keep polishing that gun thinking its the solution to our problems.

That is bull. Our rights have been eroding since the 50's. I do not have my COMPLETE right to bear arms. I have to be licensed(read written permission) to carry a gun concealed. In some state they restrict ownership of certain firearms. That is NOT "Right to Bear Arms" These are the same states that have more gun violence by the way AFTER these laws were instituted. I lived in CA, and during the 89 Ban and the SB23 ban, the shooting have not decreased. They actually increased. Home invasions and car jacking and more prevelant. Unlike what the media would lead you to believe, gun owners are not violent.

I do agree that the erosion is due to the collective stupidity(can't believe that with the views you posted you would actually admit that). And yes pointing guns at politicians may not be the answer right now. But granting them and others to further erode our rights and re-write the Constitution to what they "feel" is right to "modernize it" is suicide of what made this country great. And no I do not think guns are the solution. Unbiased education is the solution.

[FuXnDajenariht]

yea keep living in a dream world thinking that everyone walking around with a concealed gun will somehow create a societal utopia. sort of like the so called peace we have due to assured destruction that nuclear weapons afford us. im biased becuase i dont think people should walk around my city streets packing large caliber weapons? excuse the **** out of me. as if law abiding citizens and criminals are inherently born that way. the only thing that separates them is will and opportunity.

guns didn't make our country great. enlightened thoughts and ideals did. you would do well to remember that. our most important and hard fought battles were in Congress and courtrooms, not battle fields with men killing each other.