Wing Chun Fight Club

[tjwingchun]

Just interested in what the general thoughts are across the forum?

www.wingchunfightclub.org/joomla/index.php

My first reaction was a a bit of concern that it was taking us back to the 80's when there was a lot of 'challenges' in the UK and may lead to nothing more than Wing Chun "Happy Slappers", ie. have a mate with your mobile handy while you smack some inadequate wannabe martial artist/fighter/boxer/thug.

It has however slightly changed since becoming a site in its own right and is looking to offer a platform for discussion about how we can gain Wing Chun some respect back that has been lost in recent years.

[Paul T England]

Trevor, you must teach me this great wing chun skill of making people speachless (or is it dumb!) Is this skill found in the muk yan jong or was it something Yip Man past onto his famous 5?

I can't believe nobody has an opinion on the wing chun fight club.

FWIW I was also concerned that it might start snowballing the wrong way but its still makes me happy to see wing chun guys standing up and being counted. Long may it continue.

Paul

[Edmund]

It really seemed like a pretty lame site though....
Just a lot of text that wasn't written or structured well. I couldn't understand the point of it and it didn't get my interest.

What's the point of joining? You get a free T-Shirt which says "Wing Chun Fighter" and more access to a site which doesn't seem like it has much on it?

That's lamer than a "Tap Out" beanie, matching sleeve-less hooded top with flame patterns and a sweat band around your ankle.

The poll was Wing Chun's Most Dangerous Foe which would be a bit of a laugh if it wasn't trying to be serious. It's got like 3 votes total...


I'd say the private forum is pretty lonely.

[tjwingchun]

It really seemed like a pretty lame site though....
Just a lot of text that wasn't written or structured well. I couldn't understand the point of it and it didn't get my interest.

What's the point of joining? You get a free T-Shirt which says "Wing Chun Fighter" and more access to a site which doesn't seem like it has much on it?

That's lamer than a "Tap Out" beanie, matching sleeve-less hooded top with flame patterns and a sweat band around your ankle.

The poll was Wing Chun's Most Dangerous Foe which would be a bit of a laugh if it wasn't trying to be serious. It's got like 3 votes total...


I'd say the private forum is pretty lonely.

It is a very young site and they promise videos up soon, personally I can see it grow into something, just got to give it and those organising it a bit of latitude.

My first thoughts were more just concerned but they were pre-website when it was just a page on another site. With help both for content with articles and direction by feedback, which is what they are looking for I believe, it may develop into a useful resource and Wing Chun contact place.

Just a wait and see process, I thought people would have more to say about it, as they do in other forums but in my mind the higher the profile of Wing Chun the better and I intend to give my support where I can to help.

[stricker]

What's the point of joining? You get a free T-Shirt which says "Wing Chun Fighter" and more access to a site which doesn't seem like it has much on it?

That's lamer than a "Tap Out" beanie, matching sleeve-less hooded top with flame patterns and a sweat band around your ankle.

The poll was Wing Chun's Most Dangerous Foe which would be a bit of a laugh if it wasn't trying to be serious. It's got like 3 votes total...

ahahahahaha

[Edmund]

It's got as much chance of snowballing as Nintendo Virtual Boy.

They might as well get on MySpace if they want some friends/traffic.
They've got no profile at all. I wouldn't even have looked if you and Paul hadn't mentioned it here. Need I point out that this forum is already incredibly well established with a large membership if you want to contact WC people.

How is it a resource? There's nothing on there. Gah! Why did you even make me look? The only help they need is a red hot poker up the posterior.

I think the only relevant news (about Alan Orr's guys winning something) was also announced on here. If anything, that's due to Alan's good news disseminating skills not the site. That's the problem with internet journo's. They don't go out and get the news. They just leach it off someone else. Get on the phone and exclusive interview Alan. There's your **** content!

As for video, YouTube and the like seems to be taking over. It's freely available and free to upload so why would you bother signing up to someone's site? It's not like they got special porno. There's actually no obvious indication they have any exclusive video anyway!

Check out this Aussie site about MMA. It's run by amateurs and yet they still manage to get real interviews, up-to-date news, ticket giveaways and videos.
http://www.infinitemma.com/

[couch]

It's got as much chance of snowballing as Nintendo Virtual Boy.

They might as well get on MySpace if they want some friends/traffic.
They've got no profile at all. I wouldn't even have looked if you and Paul hadn't mentioned it here. Need I point out that this forum is already incredibly well established with a large membership if you want to contact WC people.

How is it a resource? There's nothing on there. Gah! Why did you even make me look? The only help they need is a red hot poker up the posterior.

I think the only relevant news (about Alan Orr's guys winning something) was also announced on here. If anything, that's due to Alan's good news disseminating skills not the site. That's the problem with internet journo's. They don't go out and get the news. They just leach it off someone else. Get on the phone and exclusive interview Alan. There's your **** content!

As for video, YouTube and the like seems to be taking over. It's freely available and free to upload so why would you bother signing up to someone's site? It's not like they got special porno. There's actually no obvious indication they have any exclusive video anyway!

Check out this Aussie site about MMA. It's run by amateurs and yet they still manage to get real interviews, up-to-date news, ticket giveaways and videos.
http://www.infinitemma.com/

I think the premise is important: "Do you pressure test your WC?"

However...I agree and would like to add that not everyone is into WC to spar or go all out with MMA/Street Thugs and get it on video. And that whole bit that you have to fight the guard to get into the club sounds weird. We have to accept the fact that there are all types of interpretations of WC, less many reasons people train.

I'll be watching from a distance. Prolly won't have a large following...although the only thing I agree with is the pressure testing.

All the best,
Kenton Sefcik

[Amp]

You don't join the club because you get a free t-shirt. You join becasue you would like to help promote wing chun in APPLICATION.

The club started as a bunch of guys who train in wing chun and wanted to promote the idea of testing what you have learned. Sounds like common sense...but the truth of the matter is that 85% of the people in the world who train wing chun can't fight there way out of a paper bag. Yes I'm guessing...but I'm being generous based on my experiences.

Some people think there is a problem with the system of wing chun. I think there is a probelm with the way most people train wing chun...not the system itself. That being...they assume what they are taught is going to work for them.

The club is not a bunch of guys who think they are unbeatable fighters...and you don't have to be a pro-level fighter to join. It's simply about testing out wing chun under pressure. Something that unfortunately most wing chun schools lack.

[Edmund]

couch, Amp,

I'm talking about the site which Trevor recommended we check out.

It sucks. I've visited once and I'm probably not going to look ever again. I'd say most web browsing people would feel the same. Which doesn't help their cause at all. Why would I want to send videos in? Who's going to watch them? 3 guys?

If they want to *promote* WC fighting then get some *promoting* skills.

Your couple of paragraphs about WC pressure testing on here has more readers than that site.

[anerlich]

Sounds like some people pay way too much attention to what they THINK other people are saying about them. As one of my teachers quotes, "only a fool listens to the braying of the ass."

Both my WC school I call home and BJJ academy I attend at least once a week "pressure test" their stuff, every session. I don't need to pass a test to join a bunch of people I've never met with chips on their shoulders to do this, I'm living it locally.

The poll is stupid. MA's about building bridges, learning from others, not making enemies.

Friends come and go; enemies accumulate.

None of the "Member Benefits" actually look like benefits at all.

[Amp]

Edmund--I agree. There is not much to the site yet...but it is still very young. The guy who runs the site (a good friend of mine) is working on several sites that will prove to be very good resources for wing chun on the net. Here is one of them: http://www.everythingwingchun.com/

anerlich--in my opinion you are wrong. Martial arts aren't about building bridges and helping others...that's called charity. MA's are about fighting.

It's great that you test your skills...and great you added bjj to your wing chun (I also train BJJ and wing chun), but the truth is that most wing chun schools don't produce good fighters b/c they do not test what they are taught. The club is trying to promote the application of wing chun through actual fighting. Not through learning theories like too many martial artists today.

[sir-elrik]

i dnt understand why some people are so negative against our fellow poster actions.
ok the site isnt great, so? i think u missing the point here. The point that much more than should get out of their gym and meet other arts and test their qualities.

[BeginnersMind]

... The club is trying to promote the application of wing chun through actual fighting. Not through learning theories like too many martial artists today.

With all due respect to the guys involved in the club, to claim that fighting in a kwoon or dojo with fighters from other arts is "actual" is really misleading. As i have posted on another forum, I support the motives these guys have for building respect in the MA world for Wing Chun, but please don't confuse controlled contests in a training gym as "actual" fighting. Actual fighting is just that -- in the street with unknown, unpredictable opponent(s) who "actually" mean you harm.

That being said, if they want to test their match-fighting skills - more power to them. If it leads to more respect for WC from the hubristic MMA world, great!

Just MHO.

Chas Fisher
www.realwingchun.com

[Amp]

I don't think anyone would disagree w/ the fact that a street fight is different than a sport fight.

But...I think training and fighting at the gym or dojo is about as close as you can come to 'real' without risking your life and criminal record.

[anerlich]

anerlich--in my opinion you are wrong.

Opinions vary, obviously. So what?

Martial arts aren't about building bridges and helping others...that's called charity. MA's are about fighting.

If helping others isn't the point, then I guess no one should bother joining this cause and helping your good friend achieve his aims, huh?

(I also train BJJ and wing chun),

So does anyone else with half a brain. So, what was *your* number one enemy style in the site's poll?

The guy who runs the site (a good friend of mine) is working on several sites that will prove to be very good resources for wing chun on the net.

A person less charitable than I might see this as some kind of cross-promotion for a hoped for web empire.

Good luck to you and your good friends, but I still can't see that this is going to achieve anything.