TCMA is far too deadly to use in the ring; TCMA practitioners have nothing to prove, since they know they can fight if need be; MMA is a sport and sport fighting has rules, which will never make it appropriate for street use
ok, I got the standard answers out of the way for everyone; now, can someone please actually answer the question?
because there has been no effort to maintain weapons useage in TCMA, a lot of superfluous technique has emerged / persisted; actual weapon sparring is fairly boring: there's not a lot of variability because your margin of error is low - a mistake that would get you hit by your opponent in empty hand can be brushed aside if it's not taken full on, whereas if you get hit "lightly" by a stick or slightly stabbed by a sword, it's a different thing entirely
I'd say that about the most effective TCMA weapon stuff I ever learned was the BASIC staff stuff i did with CTS, because it didn't leave any holes in your defense when you changed ranges, by jamming / stick to your opponents weapon as you did so; this principle is also applicable to the straight sword I've learned, and seems to be consistent with non-sport western style fencing as well...
Last edited by cjurakpt; 10-22-2006 at 07:56 PM.
It just seems to me every time people talk about things like forms or foot/stance work its either that they think in sigular terms that this practice or that practice is all that is done instead of it being part of the larger whole or they are just being lazy and don't want to do the work.
Last edited by SifuAbel; 10-22-2006 at 07:46 PM.
Gus, at this point I am no longer sure whether you just project this crap or actually believe it?
You accepting challengers? The only challenge I remember was Harold Clark in the park in Chinatown. You declined...
You just knocked out some MMA fighter? WHO? Name him. You're on the Island gus, go to the Serra brothers and knock out one of them
I actually find much of what you do and say offensive to our teacher's memory. Gus, you were in your mid 20's or later when you met Chan Tai San. He didn't raise you! You were hardly an orphan.
Chan Tai San didn't teach Pankration. Furthermore, the monkey you do is still the stuff you and Chris Bruce made up from watching "mad monkey" kung fu movies. We both know you barely remember the forms that Chan Tai San taught.
Your school caters to what I consider the lowest image of CMA, pretty forms, temple secrets, bad kung fu movies
The only time I've ever seen your students fight was in Atlantic City. They didn't do antying resembling CTS Kung Fu, it looked like bad point fighting.
You claim a black belt in Jiu Jitsu, never mention you got a black belt in stand up eccletic "silent flute" jujitsu back when you were a teenager, all wrist locks and "self defense" jujitsu, it in no way qualifies you to discuss BJJ. The fact you say "it's all teh same" shows how little grasp you have of what BJJ is really about
Three days you spent with Huk Plantas doesn't qualify you as a stick fighting expert either
It disgusts me to think that anyone associates me with what you do and teach. From now on, you are completely ignored. TO me you don't exist
I'm pretty sure no kung fu guy who posted on this thread has fought MMA.
But you can correct me if I am wrong.
Are you saying you have fought in these events?
I'd be curious to know which ones and how you did. If you really have done some of these events, I'll definitely respect your opinion a bit more.
Dave, Chris- you guys are training bros with this guy. Has he fought MMA?
Well, I guess lkfmdc just answered my questions. Thanks for verifying what I have suspected all along.
I learned the bulk of my skills by sparring with resisting opponents with as little restriction as possible in terms of allowable techniques and with as much contact as was tenable in order not to be too injured afterwards; although the techniques may have been catalogued in the forms, the practice contributed almost nothing to the development of that skill
incidentaly, you seem to have the habit of responding with either a reductio ad absurdum or a non sequitor to ideas that you don't agree with (he said, ending his sentance with a preposition); while that may serve to bait the rest of the hoi polloi here, I would suggest trying to be a little more analytical in our conversations if you want to have a productive discourse
wow, you're anal.
BS!! Sparring with what? Where did you learn them? You sound like a simpleton with a dictionary.
Without the training that you now deem useless you couldn't even begin to use all these skills you have(may have). What, did they magically appear? You just knew?
So your forms suck..too bad. Thats what that means to me. I've fought with full contact and fully resisting opponents AND had great form. I count forms as one of the best training aids I have along with fighting and everything else.
In my experience people whom poo poo form work one way or another end up really looking sloppy.
See Knife you and I have more in common that you think but instead of trying to get to know me you just prejudicialy hate me because I like CMA.
My point being that as much as I love CMA I think all styles have something to offer.
even back in those days I kept a clear perspective on what works and what doesn't both in Kung Fu and other MA like Jiu Jitsu and boxing and all.
My preference just happens to be CMA because it suits me but to assume that I don't know what you know is just being presumptious.
You and I are nothing alike.
If someone asked the same question I asked you, I would have given concrete and specific examples.
You, on the other hand, gave some lame-@ss, run-around reply about liking all styles, which is pretty much what one would expect from a fake.
It has nothing to do with you doing KF because it "suits" you. It has everything to do with kung fu being the type of thing that any phony can hide behind.
Last edited by Knifefighter; 10-22-2006 at 08:23 PM.
I must admit Knifefighter, I underestimated your trolling skills. Perhaps you should consider getting "Knifetroller" as your new forum name. That may give people a heads-up. I mean come on, you not only got TCMArs at each others’ throats, you managed to get training brothers at each others’ throats.
Congratulations, I don't think Ralek was even able to do that.