Tao Concepts - a new way

[Buddha_Fist]

Oh, that's what it's supposed to be! Ok...

[Neo]

ah, and now you are a 10th level master....amazing progression....

[TansauNg]

Only soft art? Others too hard? Are you on a retro hippie trip? And you'll be the perfect victim.

also you if could be a victim...if u'll have the oportunity to train in TC u'll undertand better what i mean.

[Buddha_Fist]

Keep dreamin...

[jonp]

the guys a joke

im better than him, and im sh1t

realise this and find another instructor

[TansauNg]

Keep dreamin...

[Mr Punch]

Dunno why everyone's being quite so wough

Seen and felt soft wing chun before and I don't see anything here to make me think it's any different. I would agree that a lot of wing chun could do with being softer, but not that I need to feel this particular strain any more than I need to feel anybody else's. There certainly doesn't seem anything original.

Some of them seem very very badly linked, like they've sacrificed structure completely for softness, and I have come across martial jellies before!

The real question is, does it work on live, resisting hippies?!

[Matrix]

Some of them seem very very badly linked, like they've sacrificed structure completely for softness,

Mat,
Although it can certainly be difficult to draw absolute conclusions from vidoes, based on what I'm perceiving, I absolutely agree with your analysis. Being soft is one thing, structure is quite another.

Cheers,

[TansauNg]

Mat,
Although it can certainly be difficult to draw absolute conclusions from vidoes,

Cheers,

Man...u r right!!

Anyway the structure in TC is completely different from all Wing Chun lineages (from LeungTung till Wong shun Leung), so i think that it is quite difficult to understand what they are doing...

[TansauNg]

other videos ...

http://www.wingtsunbremen.de/Trainingsimpressionen.htm

[Matrix]

TansauNg,

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.
If you agree that it is correct that we can't draw conclusions from videos, then you can't use other videos to support your point of view either.

It is quite difficult to see what they are doing because feel is such an important part of the dynamic. We would need to feel the energy to have a better understanding of what's happening. It's interesting none the less.

Thanks,

[TansauNg]

TansauNg,

then you can't use other videos to support your point of view either.

Hi Matrix...i wasn't intented to persuade anyone...i put the link only for a general interest...

[Wing Chun Dummy]

i think there's a movie clip here of one of my teachers' teachers:

http://wingchun.awardspace.com/videomovieclips.htm

tell me that this is "hard" wing chun and i will try to take you seriously but can't guarantee it.

about tao - it is the source of all things - the infinite - the never dying - and you're calling it new? tao is nature. naturally it's not new. it's the only thing that is never new

[Sekabin]

I just saw one of the TC clips, and sorry, but there's very little control there of the 'opponents' limbs. That sort of thing you can see on a video (the instance I noticed is when the opponent goes forwards with a punch (holding it out in the air for a long time of course) and the other guy steps forward at an angle walking to the outside of the punch while doing a palm strike on the inside... he's not controlling the guys' punching arm at all and asking for an elbow straight into the chops).

Softness should not mean lack of structure.

[kung fu fighter]

A few comments as the following:


1, Dao is Dao. Dao is not a concept.

let's aware about the Awareness. since that is closer then Mental power or thoughts ( layer 3 in XLM) to Dao. Awareness is a layer 4 and upward layers stuffs.

In Awareness There is no Moving or Defending.
IE: is your awareness moving or still? defending or attacking? or the Awareness is Thus it is beyond defend or attack. moving or still?

2, Dao is not Yang and De is not Yin. Dao is Non-Dual. that is beyond Duality or Yin Yang. Again, say Awareness, is awareness male or female? De is the result of following Dao.

3, IMHO, we need to probe into the Awareness which is beyond the Mental power layer. Mental power is a great tool however it can cause us stuck in limitation and Ego driven which make our passed progress our future blockage.

we dont have to use Mind all the time. Mind is great for learning math. But when we are doing Chi Sau or driving. a full loading speculation mind center activity is pulling the reverse gear or cause us lost touch on the present.

4, as for "The perfect Wing Chun exponent needs not to step back nor forward, but can simply 'change form' within the same location by means of pivoting and turning, in order to disperse the energy of an attacker.

Hendrik,

Is your defination of dao or awareness the same thing as doing something by second nature such as riding a bicycle or driving a car by adapting to whatever is presently happening (auto pilot), thus leaving the conscous mind free to make other decisions?