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  1. #1
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    Talking The Science of self-defence!

    Some of you might want to take a look at this...

    http://hikutacombatsystems.com/

    It sound almost too good to be true. Check out the FAQ, the system is even "plug and play" compatible

    haamu

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    ...I know nothing about this system. I just love that the instructor's name is "Jack Savage".

    Keep it simple, stupid.

  3. I've reviewed the material on which this is based. "D.O.K." Lee founded the art of Hikuta and taught it to someone named Al Abidin, who taught it to Jack "Savage," self-described spec-ops tactical unit-type fellow.

    http://www.philelmore.com/martial/hikutahand.htm

    http://www.philelmore.com/martial/hikutavideo.htm
    - Phil Elmore

    Publisher, The Martialist magazine

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    Jack is the real deal. He works at the same place I do. Excellent all around fighter. A true hunter/shooter. He just uses an alias for his internet site.

  5. Why, what do you do for a living?
    - Phil Elmore

    Publisher, The Martialist magazine

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    Thumbs up

    Seen that before,and it may very well be good but...
    I wonder what kind of a violent mood swing or utter glimpse of ignorance do they feel who type out loud about "most effective systems".
    The sunsetīs setting down.Lay me on the forest floor.

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    -FC, summer of 2006-

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    Just for the record, i was joking.

    I don't know this Savage guy, but people make their oppinions based on what they see. I see a website full of CAPITALIZED words and "ancient most effective never-seen-before" mumbojambo. Now, if this guy is a real deal, maybe he should act like one.

    Thanks for those reviews Phil, they were pretty much what i expected them to be. Though, i would love to read more about those "homemade self-defense spray formulas"

    Anyone have info about eqyptian martial arts? Are there such?


    haamu

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    Thumbs up

    Most probably there are,since Egypt has a long history and culture.
    Even we do have one,kas-pin.
    Maybe various have died,and those that have not,are rare and remain in certain "secretcy"...just my ideas though.

    Hereīs a link that I found.

    http://www.btinternet.com/~david.mcintee/egypt.htm
    The sunsetīs setting down.Lay me on the forest floor.

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    I do not necessarily stand behind all of the statements I have made in the past, in this forum. Some of the statements may have appeared to support a biased view of reality, and may have been offensive. If you are a moral person and were hurt by comments that I made, you can PM me about it and I will apologize if I find your cause reasonable.
    -FC, summer of 2006-

  9. Sadly, the question of "Egyptian martial arts" usually gets caught up and obscured by representatives from the revisionist history/Afrocentrism movements, who try to tie black Africans to the society of Ancient Egypt and wrap the whole thing up in a hymn to "it all started here with us" ideas. There is no way to get solid answers on the issue.

    The ancient Egyptians did indeed have a rich culture and much to recommend them, but we know precious little about them by comparison to the totality of their society.
    - Phil Elmore

    Publisher, The Martialist magazine

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    Sharp Phil:

    If I remember correctly, tsunami surfer works for the US Department of Energy as a member of that agency's Special Reaction Teams (SRT). They're basically a souped up version of a "regular" law enforcement style SWAT team .

    You have to have prior experience in the military, or as an LEO with service in a tactical unit to get hired. The job description basically amounts to you doing shooting, CQB, and team drills all day long and getting paid for it.

    My idea of heaven.

    Here's a link:

    http://www.specwarnet.com/taclink/Federal/doe_srt.htm
    "Not to tire of learning is wisdom; not to weary of teaching is benevolence." -- Tzu-kung

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    Hikuta

    Greetings Kung Fu guys!

    Did growing up on a steady diet of the Kung Fu series and Asian Kung Fu flicks perhaps influence the direction my life has taken?

    I've trained with some Kung Fu experts over the years- thier blazing speed is truely something to behold!

    For a review of DOK Lee's old Hikuta package (the tape and book complement each other and do very little as stand alones) form a hard core training group (as opposed to a accountant/amateur writer with little in the way of MA skills by his own admission ) go to :

    http://www.amacord.com/chigung/

    This has been posted in 1997-long before myself or even Al were finally awarded Master Trainer certifications in Hikuta.

    Short version:

    From a hard core training group :

    7. The quickest and most practical training I've seen for learning to strike is...Hikuta: ... <it>deliver the goods in a way no other ... I've seen matches.

    8. There are two problems in striking another person: 1) not striking them hard enough to be effective and 2) hurting your own hand. Hikuta overcomes both these problems very nicely. You do not have to be a big bruiser to stun and undermine the attack of a big bruiser. Also, if you can get your hands on just about any hard object, a hairbrush, a glass, even a tooth brush or a pocket calculator, you've got a deadly and covert weapon - if you know how to use it. ...From http://www.amacord.com/chigung/
    **********

    Hikuta is growing in popularity -tho I doubt it will ever be "mainstream"- leaving me less and less time to frequent the message boards. So when or if I ever return to post or check posts is a question mark.
    Any specific questions concerning Hikuta can be posted on the Hikuta message board - http://pub95.ezboard.com/bhikutacombatsystems -or e mail me : HiComSys@yahoo.com.

    Or e mail Al Abidin - his web site is: cutting-edge-combat.com

    There are roughly a half dozen or so other CERTIFIED Hikuta instructors in the US- if interested in personal training/demos contact me and I'll put you in touch with the nearest one.

    Any questions dealing with self defense in general or fitness just drop me a line and do what I can to help or direct you to someone who can.

    Thanks for your interest!

    Knowledge Replaces Fear!

    Jack Savage
    HikutaCombatSystems.com

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    tsunami surfer

    In my unit we just call him : the Bad @@@! or Billy Bad @@@. The nickname says it all.

    Billy may hold the record for most times making our elite tactical competition team (is this nine or ten years now?)- hasn't won it yet, but is always a threat!

    Billy has a tactical training business going on the side, where he trains many local law enforcement and SWAT operators in advanced skills. Anyone in the Augusta, Ga area desiring this can contact him.

    You can go to Thunder Ranch , Blackwater etc, and make no mistake about it- you WILL develop awesome pistolcraft/tactical or other skills (if you train consistantly) OR for a fraction of the cost, train under an elite operator such as Billy- and develop identical skills!

    Currently training in BJJ/kickboxing it's always a treat to roll around on the mat with him to test how my catch wrestling training is progressing

    Those interested in getting into this line of work - were hiring! All over the country no less! Military/law enforcement is prefered but not a must.Billy, Bones, Bam Bam, myself and others can't do this forever! Plan on 2-3 years of conditioning/shooting preparation to get ready. The wash out rate for EXPERIENCED shooters in our classes runs 30% or more. If runnin' and gunnin' or the more laid back counter sniping field is what you always wanted- there will never be a better time to get into it than now.

    Remember- you do what you are!


    Knowledge Replaces Fear!

    Jack Savage

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    Re: tsunami surfer

    Originally posted by JacSavage
    Currently training in BJJ/kickboxing it's always a treat to roll around on the mat with him to test how my catch wrestling training is progressing

    ...so, you're a Hikuta instructor training kickboxing, BJJ, AND Catch Wrestling?

    Who are you training Catch under, may I ask?
    "hey pal, you wanna do the dance of destruction with the belle of the ball, just say the word." -apoweyn

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    my favorite line: "he wasn't even oriental!"

    ah boy.

    you know, maybe everyone who's ever laid eyes on hikuta could kick the ever-loving crap out of me. but that line made me smile. i kinda figured we were past assumptions like that. especially when this hikuta isn't supposed to be 'oriental' in the first place.


    stuart b.
    When you assume, you make an ass out of... pretty much just you, really.

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    from a hikuta testimonial:

    I never felt the impact of the Hikuta strike. I don't remember any conscience thought process on my part to throw the punch. "It" just happened. I DO remember pulling the strike before it impacted (I didn't want to hurt him).
    now, you can't have it both ways. you can't claim not to have been conscious of throwing the strike at all and having the presence of mind to pull the strike so as not to seriously hurt your opponent.

    i know this piece of marketing is intended to illustrate that hikuta is 1) easy to program into your subconscious reactions and 2) so dangerous that you'd have to pull it for fear of killing someone. but come off it. this is precisely the sort of stuff that makes me a disbeliever.

    excerpted from same testimonial:

    All I was ever really aware of was the inmate falling over like a felled tree. No steps backward or any other movement... just toppling over onto his back.
    so which is it? did the guy fall down as if by magic? with the hikuta specialist not even realizing what they'd done until it was over? or did the hikuta specialist have the time and presence of mind to make a calculated judgment about whether or not to hurt his opponent, arriving at the decision to pull the punch?

    personally, i want people to play it straight with me. even in advertising. especially in advertising. and this just doesn't do the trick.


    stuart b.
    When you assume, you make an ass out of... pretty much just you, really.

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