Hi Ten Tigers, RAF,
well, I'd still argue that it's unusual, but not impossible by any means. Most boxers are trained by pgople who'd they would mop of the floor with. What I meant was that it isn't the traditional Chinese story, and in Chang Tungshen's case, it would be interesting since he also develops his own style of tcc. Anyway, RAF, I've also heard that Li Jinglin was Yang Chien Hou's student, if not defeated by him: i.e., he was his primary tcc teacher. Besides, it isn't really a matter of whether someone beat him, anyway. It's rare to find someone who's gotten good without having gotten beat. And, that's another reason that the "big names" don't have any incentive to "sort it all out." For what, the "Mr Number One" won't be given a moment's peace for the rest of his life. Was it someone here who posted the story about the famous Japanese martial artist who was stabben in the back by a 7yr old? Who said "Now I'm Number One."
Best,
Esteban