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Old 06-16-2012, 07:44 AM
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Those who uses the standing to heal sickness in china, need about 10 hours of instructional training to get correct way.

Sick people doesn't have time to play with, either one get it and get result in a week or the standing Is in effective. Certainly, to heal sickness take 100 days or more. But after 10 hours one must know the correct way and after a week get result.

Without knowing clearly those key points and 5 layers equivalent technology, 10 hours to correct handling is not likely. To wait for until you are ready is like telling people to keep practice slt and someday one will have qi and be able to fajin. Well, that doesn't happen .

Take a survey from all the million wcner who practice slt. And see how many get thier qi accumulate in Dan dien just by keep doing slt slowly ? Let's face reality.
Results you are talking about for sickness is more of the placebo effect, if you think it is helping you it will , that is different then actually changeing the connections in the body.

You do need correction, but as you progress you need it. The reason people don't get it doing slt is they just don't do it right.


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Old 06-16-2012, 08:58 AM
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I like the idea of the layers. I notice the first is obviously physical, with each 'layer' moving interior. Each layer is by no means exclusive (which differentiates from a 'stage') and there is much communication and review by all. By the fourth layer, the process folds over itself like turned dough, bringing virtue, quality and extreme detail to awareness and interaction with outside and inside forces. (hiarchy of energies/forces, taxonomy) Finally practical integration.
Since retiring from free fighting(2010, a little too long in what's left of my teeth 50 years old), I've now gone through a period of deconstruction to usher in the next phase of development and training. I am adopting the basic architecture of YK transform method to begin the new. No rush. Thank you.
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:26 AM
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Results you are talking about for sickness is more of the placebo effect, if you think it is helping you it will , that is different then actually changeing the connections in the body.

You do need correction, but as you progress you need it. The reason people don't get it doing slt is they just don't do it right.


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Hi Robinhood-

I like how Hendrik addresses this in organized levels for healthy or sick. I don't think placebo applies here at all in fact

I did 4 year southern 5 animal - then couple year tai chi, all with corrections (as you suggest with SLT), but my spine issue of sleeping, digesting, etc is not resolved fully

Year or two later, I learned some static standing from a monk in Putuo Shan and stopped all my tai chi, movement forms, etc. and my spinal related issue with sleeping, digesting, etc started to go away. Then corrections on standing and now my spine related issues are near gone.

IMHO, trying to teach a dynamic structure first and correcting that as it goes is to put cart before the horse.. and waste a lot of time doing so. Its the same reason why all internal arts have standing exercise. not because it is placebo, but because static is first

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Old 06-16-2012, 10:02 AM
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Hi Robinhood-

I like how Hendrik addresses this in organized levels for healthy or sick. I don't think placebo applies here at all in fact

I did 4 year southern 5 animal - then couple year tai chi, all with corrections (as you suggest with SLT), but my spine issue of sleeping, digesting, etc is not resolved fully

Year or two later, I learned some static standing from a monk in Putuo Shan and stopped all my tai chi, movement forms, etc. and my spinal related issue with sleeping, digesting, etc started to go away. Then corrections on standing and now my spine related issues are near gone.

IMHO, trying to teach a dynamic structure first and correcting that as it goes is to put cart before the horse.. and waste a lot of time doing so. Its the same reason why all internal arts have standing exercise. not because it is placebo, but because static is first
Yes just standing is best and easiest to correct, application for martial arts does not come in 3 days thou, that is what I was saying.

Standing is not placebo, I was not saying that, I would recemnend standing alone without doing any sets until you gain from standing practice. I would say if you do dynamic sets and standing, they cancel each other out.


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Old 06-16-2012, 10:03 AM
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Hi Robinhood-

I like how Hendrik addresses this in organized levels for healthy or sick. I don't think placebo applies here at all in fact

I did 4 year southern 5 animal - then couple year tai chi, all with corrections (as you suggest with SLT), but my spine issue of sleeping, digesting, etc is not resolved fully

Year or two later, I learned some static standing from a monk in Putuo Shan and stopped all my tai chi, movement forms, etc. and my spinal related issue with sleeping, digesting, etc started to go away. Then corrections on standing and now my spine related issues are near gone.

IMHO, trying to teach a dynamic structure first and correcting that as it goes is to put cart before the horse.. and waste a lot of time doing so. Its the same reason why all internal arts have standing exercise. not because it is placebo, but because static is first
Let's not forget that even 'the placebo effect' is itself a kind of internal\external result of the mind and body feel, fuelled by pure intention that is actually working. Even though the 'cause is considered spurious, the effect is very real. Perhaps all nei gong is just one big successful placebo effect!
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:28 AM
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Static is let the body mind return to its natural state and grow.
Dynamic is to exercise the body mind to promote further flow and expand the boundaries for further grow.

One needs to arrive at a certain level in static to support the dynamic.
One needs the dynamic to further expand the boundary.

There are keys and sequence for both the static and dynamic practice, it is similar to open a safe sequencial combination lock. Failing to do that get one no where disregard of how long one spend. Knowing the sequence will unlock in time.


These keys or sequence is the technology. In the ancient china that is called Xing fa or mind method.


Is the achievement of internal art a placebo? Nope. One can measure it via biofeedback instrument , in fact one can use biofeedback instrument such as temperature, EEG, ECG ect . to aid the five layers training.

Internal art of the chinese is a technology not a believe. As even in the fifth layer, using a yoga ball to test if the Jin developed is a pulse and can one issue naturally.


Those who choose to use internal art for healing needs to be very careful. If things doesn't Show working signature after the first week get help. And anything which is violate the loose physical, quite peacefully mind, and natural in breathing and movement. Don't do!

The bottom line of Chinese internal healing is to help get the body and mind back to the natural state , stay there, and let it makes correction and grow healthy.



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The four proven high tech Chinese healing art are

1.the six healing sounds, 六字訣,working with oxigen intake, blood flow , internal organs. Full body tuning.

2.The bone marrow work, 洗髓經,working with bone marrow and blood flow. A localization practice supporting the full body tuning.

3.The sinews transform work, 易筋經。working with bone structure alignment and sinews strengthening.

4. Silence work, 靜功。enter into the mind body natural states to let the body mind heal itself.

So usually, one practice number 4 until one reach a minimum level, then the 1,2,3, to help the body.
Then close up with long time spending in number 4. The let go let God be state.

It is all about technology. The above is a holistic authentic Chinese heal practice. It is very specific. I hope we in the west know these.


C.
The above static and dynamic drill of the ykt are good for strengthening the body mind.
They were choose by me as a simple tool to communicate , or zoom in to , the detail of the yik kam wing Chun 1850 , And also they have to satisfied healthy practice goal with good long term result. The intention is even if one doesn't get the wing Chun 1850 transform, one will still get a healthy practice for mind and body.
And they have to be safe for every one to practice. From 5 year old to 90 year old.



So, these are where they comes from after their track records being study. All of them comes with a proven track record which has been tested and long term practice . Internal drills are similar to drug. I want all these drill has a proven long term records.

The static standing has been used for healing. This is the 馬禮堂自然庒。

The slt transform has been used to strengthen the body circulation to prevent sas in Taiwan and align spine structure. This is the 李鳳山平甩功。

The ck biu jee transform is used to regulate the body mind for aging or imbalance and align spine structure. This is the 馬禮堂乾坤歩.

The lower body transform being use to help regulating blood pressure and kidney and liver issues.
This is the 周潛川峨嵋虎步功。

Those who is interested can further check into the track records of these drill and see for yourself what they can do.

It is my intention to make YKT to be solid and stand on the shoulder of the present giants in the tcm in additional to conver the information of wing Chun 1850. For me, only that way the YKT has meaning and reason to serve the public for decades to come Or until some one in the yik kam family in the future find a better and solid way to replace it.


For those who question me on why I don't use the yik kam drill in slt long set direct instead of using these drill for YKT ? The answer is, I am going for public tested drill which is carry the same information as the yik kam drill, with a bonus of these drill has been tested and proven safe and solid for health. It is a big responsibility to release something . And what to be released needs to be solid and safe. It is better to stand on the shoulder of the giants or experts in the field.
I can verify the yik kam drill is in a proper direction with these experts but I want more then that.
As the spider man says, great power comes with big responsibility.

One better to be 120 persent sure it helps others.

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Old 06-16-2012, 12:30 PM
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Static is let the body mind return to its natural state and grow.
Dynamic is to exercise the body mind to promote further flow and expand the boundaries for further grow.

One needs to arrive at a certain level in static to support the dynamic.
One needs the dynamic to further expand the boundary.

There are keys and sequence for both the static and dynamic practice, it is similar to open a safe sequencial combination lock. Failing to do that get one no where disregard of how long one spend. Knowing the sequence will unlock in time.


These keys or sequence is the technology. In the ancient china that is called Xing fa or mind method.


Is the achievement of internal art a placebo? Nope. One can measure it via biofeedback instrument , in fact one can use biofeedback instrument such as temperature, EEG, ECG ect . to aid the five layers training.

Internal art of the chinese is a technology not a believe. As even in the fifth layer, using a yoga ball to test if the Jin developed is a pulse and can one issue naturally.


Those who choose to use internal art for healing needs to be very careful. If things doesn't Show working signature after the first week get help. And anything which is violate the loose physical, quite peacefully mind, and natural in breathing and movement. Don't do!

The bottom line of Chinese internal healing is to help get the body and mind back to the natural state , stay there, and let it makes correction and grow healthy.



The four high tech of Chinese civilization for healing are

1.the six healing sounds, ????working with oxigen intake, blood flow , internal organs. Full body tuning.

2.The bone marrow work, ????working with bone marrow and blood flow. A localization practice supporting the full body tuning.

3.The sinews transform work, ????working with bone structure alignment and sinews strengthening.

4. Silence work, ???enter into the mind body natural states to let the body mind heal itself.

So usually, one practice number 4 until one reach a minimum level, then the 1,2,3, to help the body.
Then close up with long time spending in number 4. The let go let God be state.

It is all about technology. The above is a holistic authentic Chinese heal practice. It is very specific. I hope we in the west know these.



The above static and dynamic drill of the ykt are good for strengthening the body mind.
They were choose by me as a tool to communicate or zoom in to the detail of the yik kam wing Chun 1850 ? And also they has to satisfied healthy practice goal. The intention is even if one doesn't get the wing Chun 1850 transform, one will still get a healthy practice for mind and body.
And they have to be safe for every one to practice.



So, these are where they comes from after their track records being study. All of them comes with a proven track record which has been tested and long term practice .

The static standing has been used for healing. This is the ???????

The slt transform has been used to strengthen the body circulation to prevent sas in Taiwan and align spine structure. This is the ??????

The ck biu jee transform is used to regulate the body mind for aging or imbalance and align spine structure. This is the ??????.

The lower body transform being use to help regulating blood pressure and kidney and liver issues.
This is the ??????
Interesting, that it all starts with harmonics.
P.S. In my opinion, the placebo effect is intention, not belief
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Old 06-16-2012, 01:02 PM
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Interesting, that it all starts with harmonics.
P.S. In my opinion, the placebo effect is intention, not belief
If we want to do something, it is better to do it right and deep . Get to the root and make sure everyone Benifit.

In the mind layer, there are more then intention ...

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If we want to do something, it is better to do it right and deep . Get to the root and make sure everyone Benifit.

In the mind layer, there are more then intention ...
Yes. Awareness\ intention\ thought
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Yes. Awareness\ intention\ thought
And Visualization , present ness.


Comes accept, goes return, let go and proceed, using silence to lead action. Is wck saying describbing resonance in the natural.

In order to implement that , the body mind needs to be in natural. YKT is only to introduce one to this. Nothing special. Those who know already do not need it.

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Old 06-16-2012, 02:33 PM
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And Visualization , present ness.


Comes accept, goes return, let go and proceed, using silence to lead action. Is wck saying describbing resonance in the natural.

In order to implement that , the body mind needs to be in natural. YKT is only to introduce one to this. Nothing special. Those who know already do not need it.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:49 AM
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The fifth layer is about force , momentum, and tactics.

It is about how and why it can be done, how and why it cannot be done.
Why it looks like can be done but can not be done. why what seems to be no likely To happen happen. Why the mind say yes and not always the body can implement.

Everything has a characteristics, the body, the mind, the force, the momentum, the tactic....ect every one of these has a law to obey in the physical world. That is the contents of the fifth layer.

Reality is reality, reality doesn't obey the philosophy of a style. The style needs to know about the reality to handle the reality . One cannot command the mountain to come, one has to go and to know the mountain.

Can an internal fajin dissolve a sharp elbow strike to the chest ?
Can a side step tactic avoid a take down ?
Can an angling break out from the innertial momentum one is struggling with?

The reality fill with relativity, changes, and laws. I intend doesn't always mean I can. I can doesn't always mean i can go direct.


The first four layers is to know yourself, this layer is to know yourself and others. And nothing is fixed. IT is the reality which govern. And the reality doesn't have a slight concern on your style or who you are. So, how can you make it happen?

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These are a part of the fifth layers

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...&postcount=215
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:15 PM
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Contrast to the above small local Jin.

The following is big full body Jin.

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...36&postcount=4
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Here is a chinese summarize of the ykt

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