Ng chan wing chun

[Graham H]

Anybody can name actions based on what they see but the thinking behind them may suggest otherwise. It's an easy trap to fall into if you (gen) haven't been taught correctly by somebody that also has the wrong ideas.

There is a good reason for wu sau/fak sau. There is man sau in BJ but not in that bit and WTF is "claw hand" all about.

We have to remember that BJ teaches us ideas for if something has gone wrong.

GH

[CFT]

There is a good reason for wu sau/fak sau. There is man sau in BJ but not in that bit and WTF is "claw hand" all about.

It's the Chinese character for 'claw'. I wonder if it is the long bridge (cheung kiu) double lap sau? Sorry if I get the terms wrong, I haven't learned Biu Jee so piecing together the puzzle here and there.

[k gledhill]

We usually divide Biu Jee into 7 sections:

1. Punch, biu sau up, down, left, right. Left right gwai jang (kneeling elbow) [not kup jang]
2. Gwai jang horizontal palm [upper, lower]
3. Man lou sau (literally 'asking road hand', asking hand?) [not the present day 'begging for rice hand' that is called man lou sau. This is used when we don't know the opponent's attack, and use this to receive the attack]
4. Left right double gan sau and turning horse (juen ma), wu sau/fak sau or man sau (depending on lineage) [*1]
5. Left right biu sau
6. Double claw hand
7. For countering rear attacks, forward waist bend 3 times, retract fist completion.

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[*1] Removed reference to 'boot' sau. I think there is a typo with the 脖 character (pronounced 'boot/but'). This is the character for 'neck'. I believe it should be 撥 which is the character for move, dispel.
In any case, I think it refers to the wu sao/fak sao movement (see action @1:58 of this video)

Could it be displace (pak/wu) & neck (fak) ?

[k gledhill]

It's the Chinese character for 'claw'. I wonder if it is the long bridge (cheung kiu) double lap sau? Sorry if I get the terms wrong, I haven't learned Biu Jee so piecing together the puzzle here and there.

Claw is lop saos....

[CFT]

這套拳有完整的睜擊方式[到今天，也沒遇到避得過我睜擊的人，吾師當年也’中招’]詠春拳睜擊和膝擊絕無有其他拳術相似，非常獨特。問路手，奪刀我不敢說，但，奪棍非常好用，殺 人也不錯，[當年學拳，我就要實現怎樣盡快殺人而苦練，吾師常說我太凶，要我閉目練小諗頭讓殺氣內藏]耕手，千萬不要到用來擋腳，他是主要用作轉身防偷擊，攔栽作用。標手，絕對殺人，死了也不知怎 死。非常好用 ，但也絕對不是今時視頻大師所介紹那樣’簡單低能用法’,怎樣用，我的部分學生知道，這裡就賣 個關子。

This form has the most complete style of elbow attacks. [To this day I have not met anyone able to evade my elbow attacks. I 'hit target' [1] on my own teacher back in the day]. Wing Chun Kuen's elbow attacks and knee attacks are definitely unlike any other martial arts.

Man lou sau (asking hand), I don't dare speak about seizing the knife but it is very good for seizing the pole, not bad for killing people either. [Back in the days when I was learning, I trained furiously to achieve the quickest methods for killing people. My teacher often said I was too brutal, he had me close my eyes and practice Siu Nim Tau allowing the killing aura be buried within.]

Gan sau. Do not use it to block kicks. It's main purpose is to turn the body to ward off sneak attacks, blocking.

Biu sau. Definitely for killing. Won’t even know how they died. Very good use, but definitely not the 'simple feeble minded applications' from present day video sifus. How to use it, some of my students know. Here I'll leave you in suspense.

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[1] he uses the term 'jung ziu' which means that one has 'suffered an attack'. Could be an actual physical attack, practical joke, confidence trick, etc.

[CFT]

抓手，運用起來，比太極擺蓮腿威力更大更狠，更可輕易斷人手。最后的反背后偷襲，似體操的彎身 動作，對抗多 種背后偷襲方式。

Claw hand. When in use, compared to the Taiji lotus kick it has greater power, is more ruthless, and more able to break arms.

Finally for countering rear attacks, a stooping movement resembling gymnastics, resisting many kinds of sneak attacks from behind.

[Graham H]

Could it be displace (pak/wu) & neck (fak) ?

Make a lot more sense eh?

GH

[Graham H]

Claw hand. When in use, compared to the Taiji lotus kick it has greater power, is more ruthless, and more able to break arms.

Finally for countering rear attacks, a stooping movement resembling gymnastics, resisting many kinds of sneak attacks from behind.

Jesus! What's this guy got? eyes in the back of his head? LMAO

[Sean66]

Biu sau. Definitely for killing. Won’t even know how they died.

I better lay off practicing Biu Jee....just too darn dangerous!! I may end up killing my training partners....or myself!

[MOSHE]

I better lay off practicing Biu Jee....just too darn dangerous!! I may end up killing my training partners....or myself!

bonsoir

si vous avez des questions, n hesitez pas !

[Sean66]

Bonsoir,

Merci Moshe, et ne prenez pas ca mal, mais ca me semble peut probable que biu sau soit pour "tuer". Tout de meme, je serait ravi de mieux conaitre votre style de wing chun.
Si je n'ai pas tort vous etes à Paris, donc pas loin de chez mi dans le chnord. Si ca vous dit, on pourrait arranger un jour de rencontre amicale....comme ca on evite les malentendus de l'internet.

[Vajramusti]

Bonsoir,

Merci Moshe, et ne prenez pas ca mal, mais ca me semble peut probable que biu sau soit pour "tuer". Tout de meme, je serait ravi de mieux conaitre votre style de wing chun.
Si je n'ai pas tort vous etes à Paris, donc pas loin de chez mi dans le chnord. Si ca vous dit, on pourrait arranger un jour de rencontre amicale....comme ca on evite les malentendu de l'internet.

------------------------------- Yeh sat hai?
Jhoot nahi?

joy

[MOSHE]

bonsoir,

merci moshe, et ne prenez pas ca mal, mais ca me semble peut probable que biu sau soit pour "tuer". Tout de meme, je serait ravi de mieux conaitre votre style de wing chun.
Si je n'ai pas tort vous etes à paris, donc pas loin de chez mi dans le chnord. Si ca vous dit, on pourrait arranger un jour de rencontre amicale....comme ca on evite les malentendu de l'internet.

je ne prends rien de mal
on peut toujours dans un domaine ou un autre disposer de plus d'informations que d'autres
et j'explique pourquoi dans differents posts au debut de ce thread
on peut en parler apres les avoir consultes

j habitais effectivement paris,mais maintenant j'habite a l'etranger

vous serez surpris par les infos que nous donnons

cordialement

[MOSHE]

------------------------------- yeh sat hai?
Jhoot nahi?

Joy

nothing that you know already
relaxing to write in native language

[wingchunIan]

Oh, why's that then?

I'm interested to hear more about how bending over is a defence against attacks from the rear