Okay, I think it was a bad idea to start this topic.

I wanted to hopefully convince some CMA people to change their minds and let me come to their school and work on stuff without doing their forms, by convincing them that their training methods were inadequate due to the fact that CMA folks don't win the UFC.

That requiring people to learn the forms of each and every (new) school is a waste of time.

Instead, it seems like both sides are entrenched in their opinions, and there is no middle ground.

It seems like we need a referee to call an end to this fight in the 10th round (or however many pages this has gone).