A small look at Cheung Hung Sing, Founder of the Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut style

[YinOrYan]

those are called Hoi Jong's and the closing section. they have revolutionary meaning. For example, in my lineage we have the OVERTHROW THE QING RESTORE THE MING in the first section of the form.

So does it mean that Hoi Jong's are unlikely to have a basis to consider a form Choy Lee Fut?

[hskwarrior]

So does it mean that Hoi Jong's are unlikely to have a basis to consider a form Choy Lee Fut?

The Hoi Jong's are how one can identify what branch of CLF is doing the Choy Lee Fut. Each lineage has one we call an earmark. Lau Bun his his, Lee Koon Hung has His, Chan Yong Fa has his, buk sing clf has theirs. as CLF people we know what to look for to know if something is CLF or no. For example, that sword form you posted is not CLF but is a 5 family style under Wong Ark Yuey, who is NOT choy lee fut. But all southern Styles share some of the same techniques or concepts as before there was southern kung fu, there was northern style.

Again, as CLF practitioners, we know what is CLF and what is not based on the form itself.

Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
those are called Hoi Jong's and the closing section. they have revolutionary meaning.

All of CLF do NOT share the same HOI JONG. Does that mean it's not CLF? NO. It means each branch of CLF has elements that are exclusive to each branch, but not shared amongst non choy lee fut schools.

Another example is the bow. different styles of southern kung fu that have a triad connection, will share the 3 pointed bow because of them paying respects to the mother society. but still each style is different, and may perform the 3 pointed bow differently from one another as well.

Does having a HOI JONG in CLF mean Chan Family CLF can share the Fut San Hung Sing Hoi Jong or the Buk Sing Hoi Jong or vice versa? NOT AT ALL. they or we would be called "BITERS" or taking something that isn't ours and using it as ours.

[YinOrYan]

But all southern Styles share some of the same techniques or concepts as before there was southern kung fu, there was northern style.
Again, as CLF practitioners, we know what is CLF and what is not based on the form itself.

Given that southern Styles share so much, how can one know what moves may have been re-joined at a later time, if at all? Do you know of any taxonomies published or is it mostly dependent on being interpreted by whoever has most the variety of experience or exposure to the forms? I remember not long ago there was a guy from a Chinese University trying to survey all the forms but kept getting bogged down on how they mutated in America into something like name-brands.

[hskwarrior]

Do you know of any taxonomies published or is it mostly dependent on being interpreted by whoever has most the variety of experience or exposure to the forms?

You're asking that of a martial art that was super secretive due to their connection to a hard banned secret society. LMAO.

Given that southern Styles share so much, how can one know what moves may have been re-joined at a later time, if at all?

Who cares, we know all southern are related in one form or another? But, if you're wing chun, and you start performing the fut san hung sing hoi jong, then we know you took it from us. Much like Sin Kwan The of Shaolin Do stole my lineages 5 animal form. i can tell based on movement along who is who. when you're immersed in it your whole life, one can easily point out things.

I remember not long ago there was a guy from a Chinese University trying to survey all the forms but kept getting bogged down on how they mutated in America into something like name-brands.

Please explain further. what was his purpose for surveying them? what was he looking for? why did he do this? what was his prime objective? and what purpose would it surve him?

[YinOrYan]

Please explain further. what was his purpose for surveying them? what was he looking for? why did he do this? what was his prime objective? and what purpose would it surve him?

Now that all the world's kung fu forms have been spilling-out on internet videos, it has exposed many forms that were super secretive, so this naturally creates a need to document where these things were coming from. Oral folklore is no longer adequate and the subject matter will sooner or later be taken up in Universities (like that one I mentioned in China, among others). I don't think they are just doing this because they have an axe to grind for their own schools of thought or even to boost their local Cutural Tourism. The content of the forms will get studied worldwide because the nature of forms themselves are a much more reliable than untangling various legends/marketing claims of different lineages and practitioners.

I recall you mentioning that you were writing a book on Choy Lee Fut. I wonder if you have done much work on identifying the variety of forms? It would be nice to even see list like Doc-Fai Wong has on his website but with some attributation of origins:

https://plumblossom.net/ChoyLiFut/formslist.html

[hskwarrior]

I recall you mentioning that you were writing a book on Choy Lee Fut. I wonder if you have done much work on identifying the variety of forms?

My Book is called "The American Hung Sing Kwoon" from Fut San to Gum San. It will be covering historical things like The Green Grass Monk, how he got his Green Grass name, and more then down the lineage from Cheung Hung Sing to Yuen Hai to Lau Bun to Jew Leong to my Sifu. then it will cover OUR material. maybe focus on traditional and modern ways to use OUR CLF.

It would be nice to even see list like Doc-Fai Wong has on his website but with some attributation of origins:

Doc Fai wong listed sets, he did not attribute to who created the sets, which falsely leads one to think Chan Heung created all of those forms, which he did not.

[YinOrYan]

My Book is called "The American Hung Sing Kwoon" from Fut San to Gum San. It will be covering historical things like The Green Grass Monk, how he got his Green Grass name, and more then down the lineage from Cheung Hung Sing to Yuen Hai to Lau Bun to Jew Leong to my Sifu. then it will cover OUR material. maybe focus on traditional and modern ways to use OUR CLF.

I look forward to your book. Let me know if I can help with anything, even proofreading.