WSL Ving Tsun - Sifu Cliff Au Yeung - Blindfold Gor Sau Training

[duende]

Blindfold or not.... There were many bad habits present in his footwork that would get him into trouble against a competent fighter.

[Graham H]

Where I have seen WSL demo blindfolded, it seems it is to show how in VT we use Lat Sao Jik Chung, rather than as a parlour trick.

ie here @ 2:45 ish.

http://youtu.be/KkbJnQbkxHk

Rather than speculate I'll drop Philipp a message.

[guy b.]

Cliff is good but I think this is just silly martial arts stuff, PR. Hard to see the benefit. I'm sure he would say that himself if you asked.

[Graham H]

Cliff is good but I think this is just silly martial arts stuff, PR. Hard to see the benefit. I'm sure he would say that himself if you asked.

PR stuff would be my guess but then why sell an idea that doesn't make much sense or has any benefit in developing Kung fu skills? Any logical thinking person would think it's absurd.

Ving Tsun evolves. Maybe this is one of those things that should remain in the past.

[guy b.]

PR stuff would be my guess but then why sell an idea that doesn't make much sense or has any benefit in developing Kung fu skills? Any logical thinking person would think it's absurd.

Ving Tsun evolves. Maybe this is one of those things that should remain in the past.

Yes, probably a miss reading of current martial arts climate. Maybe a cultural aspect to it? Who knows?

WSL certainly did a few PR type things in his time which look a bit dodgy looking back now.

[Frost]

You know I used to think wing chun was one of the simpler chinese systems, no curved striking, only one fist shape, limited direct kicking, only 3 forms and only two of those really taught the system the third was what to do when things went pear shaped, Chi sao reinforced the principles of the first two forms, how to occupy the centreline and where my centreline should be in relation to my opponent, proper elbow position, how to use the lats and shoulder girdle to create a firm base and how to use coordinated body weight moving forward to create power, it taught you how to use forward pressure and what to do when said forward pressure was applied to you, to hit where there was a gap and to create a gap where there is non….simple direct and fairly easy to learn…whether it works or is any good is for another flame war but for gods sake 13 pages of this rubbish, why not simply show what you mean in a real fight so everyone can see it, not chi sao, not drills but in a real sparring of fighting match, with as much or as little protection as your version of wing chun feels is allowed otherwise this circular argument will go on for ever

[Paul T England]

Its a useful tool, nothing more. Don't take it as a way of fighting but a simple drill to lep you.

Paul
www.moifa.co.uk

[Graham H]

Its a useful tool, nothing more. Don't take it as a way of fighting but a simple drill to lep you.

Please explain what it helps

[Graham H]

So here is the reason....

The blindfold is given to students that have problems "chasing the arms" visually and with their own arms. The thinking is that if the students vision is taken away that they will not be effected by obstacles and therefore will develop the correct idea of LSJC using the whole body. Some students that have more courage and are less prone to being scared of incoming limbs may not require it. If the student needs the blindfold he should keep wearing it until the problem is trained away.

Unfortunately people have interpreted blindfold training into trying become sensitive to each others movements through prolonged contact with the arms. The correct idea is not to stick to the arms but attack the center without cowering away from attacks.

[Graham H]

.........................and also for PR