Kung Fu Sparring League

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Beginner's division
Who Can Play
Members with at least 450 points in the sanda league and up to 150 points in the Wrestling League

Equipment Needed
A ringed area of at least 3x3 meters, with 1.5" dense foam padding
Mouth Guard
Soft Kneepads are optional

Objective
1 point is awarded for a 5 second hold from side control or mount.
3 Points are needed to win the round.

Technical Rules
No submissions (results in a warning)
No Striking (results in a penalty and -1 point)

Intermediate division
Who Can Play
Members with at least 450 points in the sanda league and between 150-300 points in the Wrestling League.

Equipment Needed
A ringed area of at least 3x3 meters, with 1.5" dense foam padding
Mouth Guard
Soft kneepads are optional

Objective
1/2 point is awarded for a 10 second hold from side control or mount.
3 points or a submission are needed to win a round.

Technical Rules
No Submissions below the waist (results in a warning)
No Striking (results in a penalty and -1 point)

Advanced division
Who Can Play
members with at least 450 points in the sanda league and between 300-450 points in the Wrestling League.

Equipment Needed
A ringed area of at least 3x3 meters, with 1.5" dense foam padding
Mouth Guard
Soft kneepads are optional

Objective
A submission is needed to win the round.

Technical Rules
No Strikes (results in a penalty and -1 point)

Next up: mma league rules

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Beginner's division
Who Can Play
Members with at least 450 points in the wrestling league and up to 150 points in the Mma League.

Equipment Needed
A ringed area of at least 3x3 meters, with 1.5" dense foam padding
Mouth Guard
Athletic Support
AIBA Headgear
MMA Gloves (4 0z.)
shin/instep pads

Objective
1 point is awarded for a 5 second hold from side control or mount.
1/2 point is awarded for a ring ejection.
3 points or a submission are needed to win the round.
A TKO wins the match.

Technical Rules
No elbowing a player on the ground (results in a warning)
No kicking a player on the ground (results in a penalty and -1 point)
No Kneeing a player on the ground (results in a penalty and -1 point)
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Intermediate division
Who Can Play
Members with at least 450 points in the wrestling league and between 150-300 points in the Mma League.

Equipment Needed
A ringed area of at least 5x5 meters, with 1.5" Dense Foam Padding
Mouth Guard
Athletic Support
AIBA HeadGear
MMA gloves (4 oz.)
shin/instep pads
elbow/forearm pads

Objective
1/2 point is awarded for a 10 second hold from side control or mount.
1/4 point is awarded for a ring ejection.
3 points or a submission are needed to win a round.
A TKO wins the match.

Technical Rules
No kicking a player on the ground (results in a penalty and -1 point)
No kneeing a player on the ground (results in a penalty and -1 point)
*

Advanced division
Who Can Play
Members with at least 450 points in the wrestling league and between 300-450 points in the Mma League.

Equipment Needed
A ringed aread of at least 5x5 meters, with 1.5" dense foam padding
Mouth Guard
Athletic Support
MMA Gloves (4 oz.)
Kneepads

Objective
1/16th of a point is awarded for a ring ejection.
3 points or are needed to win a round.
A Submission or TKO wins the match.

Technical Rules
No kicking or kneeing the head on the ground (results in disqualification)




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[pateticorecords]

whao... I am kinda' impressed with the break-down you have given. Where do we sign up? hahaha

[MasterKiller]

Or you could just fight MMA.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Or you could just fight MMA.

Or in any of the various "sub disciplines" that are already organized.

[YouKnowWho]

Or you could just fight MMA.

I believe the best order should be that you compete in:

- golden gloves boxng to test your punching skill.
- kickboxing tournament to test your kicking and punching skill.
- SC, Judo, wrestling tournament to test your throwing skill.
- BJJ tournament to test your ground game skill.
- Sanda/Shanshou tournament to test your kicking, punching, throwing skill.
- MMA tournamnet ro test everything.

You have to develop your striking skill and grappling skill separately before you can do your integration. To jump right into MMA too soon may not be the proper training order.

[MasterKiller]

I believe the best order should be that you compete in:

- golden gloves boxng to test your punching skill.
- kickboxing tournament to test your kicking and punching skill.
- SC, Judo, wrestling tournament to test your throwing skill.
- BJJ tournament to test your ground game skill.
- Sanda/Shanshou tournament to test your kicking, punching, throwing skill.
- MMA tournamnet ro test everything.

You have to develop your striking skill and grappling skill separately before you can do your integration. To jump right into MMA too soon may not be the proper training order.

Nah, you don't.

We always make people compete in a couple of BJJ tournaments before they fight MMA just to get used to the speed and "full contact" aspect against someone who doesn't care if they hurt you.

But fighting isn't rocket science. Kick. Punch. Throw. Wrestle. It's not that complicated.

Not everyone SHOULD fight, obviously. But for the ones with the talent and desire, you don't have to spend 10 years prepping.

[YouKnowWho]

you don't have to spend 10 years prepping.

You don't need 10 years to get ready, but you need to have enough tools in your toolbox to be successful in the long run.

In short turn, you may be able to depend on your pull guard, ground game to win. If you take this path, you will always be weak in striking and throwing.

[MasterKiller]

You don't need 10 years to get ready, but you need to have enough tools in your toolbox to be successful in the long run.

In short turn, you may be able to depend on your pull guard, ground game to win. If you take this path, you will always be weak in striking and throwing.

I agree. But 1 year is generally enough time to develop enough to begin competing. If you can't fight reasonably well after a year of anything, time to rethink your training methods.

[GeneChing]

...however the truth of the matter is that we do one local tournament a year and it's not a moneymaker. Quite the opposite really. It's non-contact because when things go contact, we have to deal with insurance, the boxing commission, and in our area, CAMO. There are plenty of other promoters in our area already staging this sort of thing. Heck, Sifu Zhong Luo is holding Dragon House 12 in Oakland this weekend. Frankly, we're publishers, not fight promoters. That's a totally different ballgame.

I don't understand why some of you feel the need to reinvent the wheel. If you want to spar with Kung Fu, there are plenty of venues in which to do so that are already well established. Go represent there.

[ginosifu]

Nah, you don't.

We always make people compete in a couple of BJJ tournaments before they fight MMA just to get used to the speed and "full contact" aspect against someone who doesn't care if they hurt you.

But fighting isn't rocket science. Kick. Punch. Throw. Wrestle. It's not that complicated.

Not everyone SHOULD fight, obviously. But for the ones with the talent and desire, you don't have to spend 10 years prepping.

Primal / insticntive skills such as a round kick to the thigh, over / under hooks takedown, basic wrestling etc etc; need no practice or training. Might as well lift some weights and become a meathead so you can grab a guy and squeeze tight and lay on the ground together.

On the other hand.... If you want to learn a real MA, then you need years of practice. Specialized drills for your style and resistance training with partners, this take time.

xiao meng: your sparring league has merit but how would you get people together to fight with these rules sets? Are you saying have these rules and use them at your own kwoon or city? How do we unify everyone to use these rule sets? How do you check to see if everyone is following the rule set properly?

ginosifu

[Frost]

Primal / insticntive skills such as a round kick to the thigh, over / under hooks takedown, basic wrestling etc etc; need no practice or training. Might as well lift some weights and become a meathead so you can grab a guy and squeeze tight and lay on the ground together.

On the other hand.... If you want to learn a real MA, then you need years of practice. Specialized drills for your style and resistance training with partners, this take time.

xiao meng: your sparring league has merit but how would you get people together to fight with these rules sets? Are you saying have these rules and use them at your own kwoon or city? How do we unify everyone to use these rule sets? How do you check to see if everyone is following the rule set properly?

ginosifu

So thai boxing, freestyle wrestling, boxing etc are not real MA’s they are just primal stuff easily learned usually by roided up meatheads?
Are you really going there with this argument?
As for the rest why reinvent the wheel, seriously why bother?

[bawang]

Primal / insticntive skills such as a round kick to the thigh, over / under hooks takedown, basic wrestling etc etc; need no practice or training. Might as well lift some weights and become a meathead so you can grab a guy and squeeze tight and lay on the ground together.

funny words coming from a man who practices mongolian barbarian brute force wrestling.

[Kellen Bassette]

Primal / insticntive skills such as a round kick to the thigh, over / under hooks takedown, basic wrestling etc etc; need no practice or training. Might as well lift some weights and become a meathead so you can grab a guy and squeeze tight and lay on the ground together.

ginosifu

Got to disagree with you on the not needing practice and training. I'd say well over half the people I've seen in TMA can't throw a low round kick for crap. (And I train traditional arts.)
Most people simply don't turn the hip over properly and end up slicing upwards with no power, in spite of being told over and over. I think most people are lazy and if you don't train the low roundhouse properly, you won't get the power that should be there.
It is instinctive, but so is wildly swinging with no focus. These instincts need to be refined into something more usable.

[Syn7]

Primal / insticntive skills such as a round kick to the thigh, over / under hooks takedown, basic wrestling etc etc; need no practice or training. Might as well lift some weights and become a meathead so you can grab a guy and squeeze tight and lay on the ground together.

I would love to see you stuck in a room with a meathead wrestler. You don't know what defenceless feels like until a high level grappler shuts you down.

Insert all your theories of how you can fend off somebody well trained and stronger than you here ______________________________