Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut forms

[iron_silk]

Not a Buk Sing guy, but I understand that Ku Yu Cheung and Tam Sam exchanged students and that is how the northern forms got into the Buk sing style. I think the so called 5 lower forms were exchanged to Tam Sam.

dun da - short strike
moi fah - plum flower
bot bo - shuffle steps
mo i - martial art
chum sam - strike to the heart

not sure if they are kept in buk sing today.
just what I heard about the bak sil lum(KYC) and CLF(TS) masters exchange.

CLFNole - Grandmaster Wong Ha referred to Ng Lun Choy as Che Kuen as well.

Frank - Long Fist looks great. Too bad BSCLF lost that form in their lineage.

Northern Shaolin & Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut - I have seen Dun Da & Bot Bo performed before by BSCLF guys.

However...I have heard from BSCLF master that she learned Dun Da & Hoy Moon (which I assume you would refer as "higher" forms)

[David Jamieson]

CLFNole - Grandmaster Wong Ha referred to Ng Lun Choy as Che Kuen as well.

Frank - Long Fist looks great. Too bad BSCLF lost that form in their lineage.

Northern Shaolin & Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut - I have seen Dun Da & Bot Bo performed before by BSCLF guys.

However...I have heard from BSCLF master that she learned Dun Da & Hoy Moon (which I assume you would refer as "higher" forms)

The "lower" is only to describe the progressive method they are taught.
The five I mentioned are the first 5 you will learn in Bak Sil Lum despite them being drawn from the middle of the system.
What I mean by that is that dun da is the 6th form in the system, but it is usually the first of the core forms to be taught.
The order is typically 6, 7, 8, 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 9 and 10 the first 5 being called "lower" and the last five not being designated as higher. At least not as far as I know.

Hoy Moon or Koy Moon (open the door) is set number 1 in the Bak Sil Lum Syllabus.

[iron_silk]

The "lower" is only to describe the progressive method they are taught.
The five I mentioned are the first 5 you will learn in Bak Sil Lum despite them being drawn from the middle of the system.
What I mean by that is that dun da is the 6th form in the system, but it is usually the first of the core forms to be taught.
The order is typically 6, 7, 8, 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 9 and 10 the first 5 being called "lower" and the last five not being designated as higher. At least not as far as I know.

Hoy Moon or Koy Moon (open the door) is set number 1 in the Bak Sil Lum Syllabus.

Thanks for the info! It sounds like you also train in Northern Shaolin?

I thought you were a Black Tiger guy.

Actually I have been learning primarily Bak Siu Lam for the last 10 years so I know what you mean about the system and the way it's taught.

The point of my comment is that BSCLF players might not be limited to only the 5 "lower forms" (I only use for your term for it some we all know we're referencing the same forms).

The first 5 forms students learn because they are the "shorter forms" and slightly less difficult in terms of techniques involved. Full disclosure I have only learned up to #1. I don't think anyone really knows why they number it that way but learn it in a different order other than perhaps...once you learned it all...you should practice it in that sequence.

I have heard of students of Tam Sam who were sent over to Ku Yu Cheung and learned #6 & #1 (at least) which suggest Ku Yu Cheung can be selective to what he teaches.

Also I heard of Master Lai Hung who although is famous for his BSCLF but he actually also learned from student of Ku Yu Cheung and potentially completed the Buk Siu Lam system as well...which would explain how more BSL forms got incorporated into BSCLF over the years.


Sorry...I just kept typing and lost where I was going with this to begin with.

[CLFNole]

Yes I believe you are correct Lai Hung was also a BSL practioner in addition to BSCLF.

[David Jamieson]

Thanks for the info! It sounds like you also train in Northern Shaolin?

I thought you were a Black Tiger guy.

Actually I have been learning primarily Bak Siu Lam for the last 10 years so I know what you mean about the system and the way it's taught.

The point of my comment is that BSCLF players might not be limited to only the 5 "lower forms" (I only use for your term for it some we all know we're referencing the same forms).

The first 5 forms students learn because they are the "shorter forms" and slightly less difficult in terms of techniques involved. Full disclosure I have only learned up to #1. I don't think anyone really knows why they number it that way but learn it in a different order other than perhaps...once you learned it all...you should practice it in that sequence.

I have heard of students of Tam Sam who were sent over to Ku Yu Cheung and learned #6 & #1 (at least) which suggest Ku Yu Cheung can be selective to what he teaches.

Also I heard of Master Lai Hung who although is famous for his BSCLF but he actually also learned from student of Ku Yu Cheung and potentially completed the Buk Siu Lam system as well...which would explain how more BSL forms got incorporated into BSCLF over the years.


Sorry...I just kept typing and lost where I was going with this to begin with.

I just classify as a practitioner. But yes, I have learned from a couple of different styles and BSL is one of them. All Kung Fu is good as far as I'm concerned. Style is not really a major concern anymore. Enjoyment of practice is!

[iron_silk]

I just classify as a practitioner. But yes, I have learned from a couple of different styles and BSL is one of them. All Kung Fu is good as far as I'm concerned. Style is not really a major concern anymore. Enjoyment of practice is!

I can't agree more with your statement.

I hope to learn for as long as I can in my life.

Style doesn't matter, to me it's all about who I am learning from.

When I found my BSL Sifu I wasn't that crazy about Northern Shaolin (since my only exposure to kung fu was previously CLF and BSL seem to flowery) but the way my Sifu moved and the details he gave in teaching impressed me beyond words.

I wasn't a big fan of BSCLF to honest with what limited exposure I had. Then I was amazed by a BSCLF Sifu in Vancouver. She had the fastest hands I had ever seen and her dedication to kung fu is peerless.

So in short...it's all about who I'm learning from because I have seen same styles from other Sifu's that were less than impressive.

[hskwarrior]

I wasn't a big fan of BSCLF to honest with what limited exposure I had.

so what weren't you impressed with in regards to buk sing? the lack of forms?

[iron_silk]

so what weren't you impressed with in regards to buk sing? the lack of forms?

I didn't say whether I was "impressed" or not but rather it wasn't for me. It wasn't the lack of forms but rather the way they moved in the forms. Again only based on my limited exposure.

I am sorry if the way I said it sounded insulting and for that I apologize.

I just meant BSCLF from the way it was presented wasn't something I was very much interested in.

Keep in mind I am a forms guy and didn't get into kung fu for martial arts application. That came later in life...

Ironically enough when I started to want to get more involved in application I met BSCLF master who was simply amazing and made me look at the her (and to some degree the art) in a different light.

What makes CLF, HSCLF, BSCLF is that different teachers do it differently. Some more forms emphasized and others more combat oriented.

I have been amazed in some cases where I had no idea CLF could be done that way.

In the end of the day the teacher makes the art in my opinion.

Hope I didn't offend anyone.