Wing Chun in a Phone Booth

[YouKnowWho]

In a phone booth hung ga, choy li fut and other styles would have limited mobility against wing chun...WC would have an advantage!

If you train your "elbow" skill like in the following form clip, you will have better advantage than WC. Some of the northern TCMA systems do train "elbow" seriously. There was a fight in an office that 1 person had to handle 8 opponents (small space, multiple opponents). Through the whole fight, the elbow striking was only used. There were no punch, kick, lock, throw, ground game in that fight.

In a phone booth, you may have to punch 3 times to knock down one person. You may drop one person just by one single elbow. When you deal with multiple opponents in a small space, 3 punches to a person may be a "luxury".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c21vpG6jqcE

[Chadderz]

Your argument is pretty invalid because most WC schools STILL don't train realistically.

Unless it's an Alan OR student of course.

[Yoshiyahu]

Your argument is pretty invalid because most WC schools STILL don't train realistically.

Unless it's an Alan OR student of course.

Define realistically?

Do you Train with Alan Or?

[JPinAZ]

Define realistically?

Do you Train with Alan Or?

You define realistically, do you train with Stan?

[Yoshiyahu]

You define realistically, do you train with Stan?

I have trained with stan about five times...I plan to train a little more with doing chi sau and sparring. an working on his dummy and hitting his punching bag and wall bag...

[JPinAZ]

I have trained with stan about five times...I plan to train a little more with doing chi sau and sparring. an working on his dummy and hitting his punching bag and wall bag...

haha, I was joking/messing with you. From everything I've seen, nothing stan does is even remotely close to realistic anythying. That's why I asked you to describe what you think is 'training realistically', so people can get a baseline of your understanding of the term

[couch]

I love Wing Chun. It's what I like to do in my free time.

...but boxing, MT, etc have 'pockets of power' as well. While large looping punches are often seen in boxing - hooks, uppercuts, body shots, etc were developed when the range got closer and straight lines didn't work (opponent covers up, gloves are in the way of their face, etc).

So, yes: Wing Chun would excel in a phone booth, but if you're in there with a boxer, watch your ribcage.

CTK

[Chadderz]

Define realistically?

Do you Train with Alan Or?

As close to practical combat as possible, eg, sparring and losing forms in favour of function.


And no, but I've seen him, and I like the way he thinks, and he spars regularly.

[Yoshiyahu]

As close to practical combat as possible, eg, sparring and losing forms in favour of function.


And no, but I've seen him, and I like the way he thinks, and he spars regularly.

Who do you do wing chun with?




Define: losing forms in favour of function

[GeneChing]

Wing-Chun-in-a-Phone-Booth
Phone Booth Fighting

[WingChunABQ]

If you train your "elbow" skill like in the following form clip, you will have better advantage than WC. Some of the northern TCMA systems do train "elbow" seriously. There was a fight in an office that 1 person had to handle 8 opponents (small space, multiple opponents). Through the whole fight, the elbow striking was only used. There were no punch, kick, lock, throw, ground game in that fight.

In a phone booth, you may have to punch 3 times to knock down one person. You may drop one person just by one single elbow. When you deal with multiple opponents in a small space, 3 punches to a person may be a "luxury".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c21vpG6jqcE

There are plenty of elbows in the Biu Jee form.

[YouKnowWho]

There are plenty of elbows in the Biu Jee form.

Please show some pictures or clips in the Biu Jee form that has:

- downward elbow,
- upward elbow,
- straight elbow,
- horizontal elbow,
- backward elbow,
- both forward and backward elbows,
- both right and left elbows,
- ...

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&s...:0&tx=66&ty=72

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&s...t:429,r:15,s:0

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/6060/elbowe.jpg

[Vajramusti]

They are every where-slt, ck, bj, mok- with proper learning and practice they cover all directions.
They are difficult to control in chi sao- specially for beginners.

joy chaudhuri

[Lee Chiang Po]

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1155421]Please show some pictures or clips in the Biu Jee form that has:

- downward elbow,
- upward elbow,
- straight elbow,
- horizontal elbow,
- backward elbow,
- both forward and backward elbows,
- both right and left elbows,

The elbow is only used in dire emergencies. Where you can not use the fist. The elbow is not as powerful as you might think, and the weapon is only about a foot long at best. It is like hitting someone with an 8 inch stick. It might hurt, but it will not hurt near enough to do you much good. You have to get to within a foot of the target, and your force is only a short swing of the upper arm with some of your weight behind it, maybe. Not much of your weight anyway. If you try to fight someone with your elbows you are going to get beaten badly. The only time an elbow is worth anything is when it is the only thing you can use at that time. Back when WC was being developed, Kung fu was about the only thing you would have to deal with. You have seen guys doing forms and such, and try to imagine doing that in a narrow run or doorway on a small junk or boat. You would not have enough room to fight. WC was developed on that boat and in that doorway or narrow run you can punch and kick with all your force and power. Standing in a real narrow space I can punch very hard, and I can kick very hard. Try getting through that small run by use of your elbows, and I will end up with your lunch money. Outside it's most useful situation(the phone booth) you have to improvise and overcome. You crowd the guy and render his best and most powerful weapons useless if you can.

[Dragonzbane76]

Elbow is useless? Where do u get this crap really? The elbow and the knee are probably two of the most powerful techniques u have in clinch/close range fighting. Sometimes i wonder if u have ever actually done any MA's. Yes its limited in range but thats not what its intent is for. You compare it to a short stick. I compare it like being hit with a hammer.