GZ Wingchun 12 movements set

[LoneTiger108]

Yes, Gwong Zhau Wingchun is same as Sum Nung Wingchun. Just a name. This set is supposed to be 12 separated techniques and I just chained it up in a set to show on video without pausing. Makes it more easy to keep track of things.

Thanks for the info

Seems to be a push of Sum Nung lately, which is cool, but I do hope future generations refrain from identifying their Wing Chun with an 'area' especially in the mainland. I have the same concerns for Kulo Wing Chun, as it's actually Fung Family Wing Chun, which has since spread far from Kulo village

Sorry to hear of your back problems but I'm sure your Taichi will help ease the condition. Any branch of Wing Chun that seems to concentrate on sansau or loose hand methods will have major weaknesses imho. Many strengths too but they will be missing the later developments and the more traditional approach to training the whole body.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but form practise is not considered important to the Fungs? Everything is in sets, or yaudim (important points) right? More of a Karate one-two step approach to your Wing Chun, that will work for some but not for others...

[CYMac]

Thanks for the info

Seems to be a push of Sum Nung lately, which is cool, but I do hope future generations refrain from identifying their Wing Chun with an 'area' especially in the mainland. I have the same concerns for Kulo Wing Chun, as it's actually Fung Family Wing Chun, which has since spread far from Kulo village

Sorry to hear of your back problems but I'm sure your Taichi will help ease the condition. Any branch of Wing Chun that seems to concentrate on sansau or loose hand methods will have major weaknesses imho. Many strengths too but they will be missing the later developments and the more traditional approach to training the whole body.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but form practise is not considered important to the Fungs? Everything is in sets, or yaudim (important points) right? More of a Karate one-two step approach to your Wing Chun, that will work for some but not for others...

My back problem actually got cured now, after one year practicing my own lineage's form. So that's good to know. The wingchun really got some problem. Even Ip Man style does have the back pain problem too, especially Jiu Wan branch. I know people from that branch and they have seriously got some pain in the body with the practice..

Yes, Fung Siu Ching lineage is more to the san sik and it's mainly all san sik. You are right. But it doesn't harm for you to chain it up for memorizing or reviewing the moves.

[Vajramusti]

My back problem actually got cured now, after one year practicing my own lineage's form. So that's good to know. The wingchun really got some problem. Even Ip Man style does have the back pain problem too, especially Jiu Wan branch. I know people from that branch and they have seriously got some pain in the body with the practice..

Yes, Fung Siu Ching lineage is more to the san sik and it's mainly all san sik. You are right. But it doesn't harm for you to chain it up for memorizing or reviewing the moves.

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No back pains and other pains that I know off in our part of the Ip Man lineage. But close attention to the details of structure in development by serious students can avoid those things IMO.

joy chaudhuri

[CYMac]

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No back pains and other pains that I know off in our part of the Ip Man lineage. But close attention to the details of structure in development by serious students can avoid those things IMO.

joy chaudhuri

Good for you! Your teacher is good then! Keep it up!

[taai gihk yahn]

My back problem actually got cured now, after one year practicing my own lineage's form.

don't be so modest! share with everyone how you "got better"; I mean, it's all right here on your website:

"In 2009, because the kungfu Mak Jo Si learned from the past with all these horrible masters, he got serious injuries all over the body. With his right leg temporary disabled and all kinds of pain and aches around the body and joints, he was not able to do any kungfu at all. He have to stop and terminate his kungfu teaching. That must be the end of his life of kungfu!

No, not at all! During the fall of 2009, Mak Jo Si gained the ability of communicating with the deities and Taoverse Deity take care of him. Taoverse Deity taught him kungfu directly and actually helped him recover from the injuries in the past in a few months!"

http://www.chiinnature.com/kungfu_master_bio.html

isn't being forthright refreshing?

[CYMac]

don't be so modest! share with everyone how you "got better"; I mean, it's all right here on your website:

"In 2009, because the kungfu Mak Jo Si learned from the past with all these horrible masters, he got serious injuries all over the body. With his right leg temporary disabled and all kinds of pain and aches around the body and joints, he was not able to do any kungfu at all. He have to stop and terminate his kungfu teaching. That must be the end of his life of kungfu!

No, not at all! During the fall of 2009, Mak Jo Si gained the ability of communicating with the deities and Taoverse Deity take care of him. Taoverse Deity taught him kungfu directly and actually helped him recover from the injuries in the past in a few months!"

http://www.chiinnature.com/kungfu_master_bio.html

isn't being forthright refreshing?

Get lost, don't play with stupid games. I ain't here for these. Talk kungfu or show your kungfu as a true kungfuman, if you aren't then too bad.

[LoneTiger108]

The wingchun really got some problem. Even Ip Man style does have the back pain problem too, especially Jiu Wan branch. I know people from that branch and they have seriously got some pain in the body with the practice..

Really? Maybe there's just something wrong with Wing Chun (Yong Chun) in China!

Seriously, I think most 'Martial Artists' have had back problems, especially those that learn the larger pole and weaponry methods like Jiu Wans students. But it is the student who recognises changes in their bodies and a good teacher should listen and advise accordingly. It's also key to understand that all interactive training, like chisau, is connected to the spine so accidents can, and do, happen.

Personally, I've seen more heart problems than back problems in Wing Chun

Yes, Fung Siu Ching lineage is more to the san sik and it's mainly all san sik. You are right. But it doesn't harm for you to chain it up for memorizing or reviewing the moves.

But it kills your back right!?

Out of interest, did you film the clip before or after your back problem, and have you adjusted certain structures to compensate??

[CYMac]

Really? Maybe there's just something wrong with Wing Chun (Yong Chun) in China!

Seriously, I think most 'Martial Artists' have had back problems, especially those that learn the larger pole and weaponry methods like Jiu Wans students. But it is the student who recognises changes in their bodies and a good teacher should listen and advise accordingly. It's also key to understand that all interactive training, like chisau, is connected to the spine so accidents can, and do, happen.

Personally, I've seen more heart problems than back problems in Wing Chun



But it kills your back right!?

Out of interest, did you film the clip before or after your back problem, and have you adjusted certain structures to compensate??

I filmed the clip AFTER I have the back problem and now I am recovered from it after one year of rest, treatment and doing my own lineage's exercise and forms. Therefore my video show me doing forms with "injuries" sad.... but I film my video for myself to reference back only, it was meant to just for myself but somebody told me that I should post them online and so I did so....

[LoneTiger108]

... but I film my video for myself to reference back only, it was meant to just for myself but somebody told me that I should post them online and so I did so....

Well, respect to you for sharing.

Something a few can learn from on here I think.

I've actually started a project from my home too, to share and exchange training ideas and tips online. This really only happend because I got tired of writing on forums and facebook

[Vajramusti]

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Seriously, I think most 'Martial Artists' have had back problems, especially those that learn the larger pole and weaponry methods like Jiu Wans students. But it is the student who recognises changes in their bodies and a good teacher should listen and advise accordingly. It's also key to understand that all interactive training, like chisau, is connected to the spine so accidents can, and do, happen.

Personally, I've seen more heart problems than back problems in Wing Chun
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Wing Chun when done properly IMO involves quite natural motions. Doing motions incorrectly
can result in pains and injuries. Of course so can actual fighting or vigorous uncontrolled sparring.
Doing taichi badly can result in knee problems.Wrong bong saos can lead to shoulder problems.
Wrong punching can lead to elbow tendonitis. Very narrow knee stances can lead to knee problems.Incorrect spinal alignments can cause back problems. When wing chun or taichi are well taught-it can strengthen the joints rather than injure them.

Good teaching. learning and practice are keys to avoiding injuries.

Anecdotally: I have been doing wing chun regularly since 1976 without any wing chun related injuries. A major incident- a dog fight involving multiple dogs including my 3 Arctic guys- a malamute and two samoyeds who were attacked was the source of one knee problem. Trauma from a fall on concrete, and my stupidity in continued daily long walks with the sled pulling type of dogs without taking a break or tending to inflammation led to the problem knee -which was helped some by not doing the same stupid things and avoiding wrong repetitions in motion.

Greater danger in the US to health are likely from automobiles. More dangers from pollution in parts of China, obesity in the US. Some old time sifus smoked a lot thanks to successful peddling by the tobacco industry. Some drank too much.

Not a simple causal link between wing chun and health problems IMO, FWIW.

joy chaudhuri

[LoneTiger108]

Not a simple causal link between wing chun and health problems IMO, FWIW.

Agreed 100%