Interesting kung fu training from Colombia

[David Jamieson]

EVERYONE who does functional training and expects to get good does some sparring full contact with gloves. They have to:

so bjj isn't functional training? what are you saying here?

how about GR?

You love yer blanket statements. They are your wooby.

[Knifefighter]

you can throw someone with gloves on havent you seen sanda matches?

You can also do submissions with gloves on.

[goju]

You can also do submissions with gloves on.

yes that quite possible too

[David Jamieson]

You can also do submissions with gloves on.

do you wear you gloves out to the pub? got yer cup and mouthguard in at all times?

please explain how that is functional outside of the context it is strictly used in?

plenty of bareknuckle fights went on and still do, vale tudo was notorious for no gear bare knuckle fighting.

i can appreciate the use of gear, I do it myself.

I think you guys are going into black and white mode to merely diss yet another group who are not in your mma paradigm land.

cest la vie.

[EarthDragon]

gojyu

you can throw someone with gloves on havent you seen sanda matches?

yes but only a limited selction of throws can be used, you need to have open finger to perfomr most throws and what do thy do when they get thrown, stand up and start over, becuase you cant possibly fight with boxing gloves on.

just like you cant tie your shoes with mittens. are you people that thick? are we realy having this conversation with more than frost and knife? LOL

[goju]

gojyu

yes but only a limited selction of throws can be used, you need to have open finger to perfomr most throws and what do thy do when they get thrown, stand up and start over, becuase you cant possibly fight with boxing gloves on.

just like you cant tie your shoes with mittens. are you people that thick? are we realy having this conversation with more than frost and knife? LOL

actually you can i sparred a gentleman on this board and i took his back and put him in RNC whilst wearing boxing gloves when we went to the floor

as far as throws are concerned the number of them you an preform with gloved hands are still a wide array, lets not forget leg grabs and trips are still functional with that setting as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ir0M...eature=related

[Knifefighter]

do you wear you gloves out to the pub? got yer cup and mouthguard in at all times?

please explain how that is functional outside of the context it is strictly used in?

plenty of bareknuckle fights went on and still do, vale tudo was notorious for no gear bare knuckle fighting.

i can appreciate the use of gear, I do it myself.

I think you guys are going into black and white mode to merely diss yet another group who are not in your mma paradigm land.

cest la vie.

Are you trolling or simply this clueless?

Boxing gloves let you train full contact striking with fewer injuries. This lets you practice longer and harder, which lets you develop more skill and ability.

Same with grappling full force and apply finishing holds vs. not grappling full contact with techniques that are too dangerous (lookup the Judo vs. jujutsu challenge match in which the "safe" judo mashed the "too deadly" jj in the 1800's for an example of this).

As far as functional BJJ, BJJ practices striking on the ground with, guess what? That's right, boxing gloves and headgear.

[Knifefighter]

gojyu

yes but only a limited selction of throws can be used, you need to have open finger to perfomr most throws and what do thy do when they get thrown, stand up and start over, becuase you cant possibly fight with boxing gloves on.

just like you cant tie your shoes with mittens. are you people that thick? are we realy having this conversation with more than frost and knife? LOL

Is ED really this thick? Does he really not understand that you practice some aspects of full contact fighting with boxing gloves on.

ED must be trolling. Nobody is this stupid.

[Frost]

frost,

, no unlike you I actually train everyday not get my trainning from TV. perhapos you should put down the remote and actually workout more than once a week


just answer this simple question how do you perform any techniques besides punching with boxing gloves on? what do you do when you get a takedown stop the fight and take them off?
your little creidt for being a armchair grappler just got taken awy by you standing by your statement. man up train like you fight otherise take up ballet... or boxing, then you can use our gloves for the correct sport.





This I can agree with, actually if the first thing I think you have sadi that made some sort of sense, usually your just bitter and attacking for no reason or rhyme, and you never have anythign nice to say its liek you are franks hate the world adn can only gt your jollies by insultiing other people. try to be nice once in a while, its good for the soul

I was asking because if you knew anything about full contact MMA and the way people train for it you wouldn’t be saying these stupid things and asking silly questions,

I have competed in grappling and only train MMA so its arm chair MMA guy if you please……and if we are throwing around credit do I get any for actually competing in a sport and for listing where I train and which pros I know and for admitting what I do and don’t train in..…perhaps you can do the same which MMA gyms have you trained in and which fighters have you trained with

Nice…me be nice…..I am generally quite pleasant on here to everyone really apart from those who are either insulting or just being stupid (you manage to fit into both categories well done!)

you can perform throws takedowns, go into ground and pound all which gloves on, you can even apply some locks (but not very well), if you don’t know how to clinch and throw with boxing gloves on I suggest you go to a sanda or thai club, they seem to manage it ok

Is it a trade off? Yes it is but then what you lose in ability to control and lock you gain in your ability to actually spar with resistance and power, and as I said in my comments on the original clip they suffered from not using proper protective equipment in that they are not used to hitting and taking hits to the head. If you have no ability to respond under pressure and to be able to hit back whilst having someone try to hit you in the head hard then worrying about your ability to trap and throw is a bit redundant.

Every MMA gym I have been to and trained in, and every fighter I know of and have met train trains with BOTH MMA gloves and boxing gloves and does the majority of there hard sparring with boxing gloves, why do you think that is?

Why do you think they also separate stand-up and ground work and spent a lot of time training just stand up and clinch with boxing gloves, and why do you think they also spend time on the ground defending against someone attacking them with boxing gloves on?

[Dragonzbane76]

Every MMA gym I have been to and trained in, and every fighter I know of and have met train trains with BOTH MMA gloves and boxing gloves and does the majority of there hard sparring with boxing gloves, why do you think that is?

Why do you think they also separate stand-up and ground work and spent a lot of time training just stand up and clinch with boxing gloves, and why do you think they also spend time on the ground defending against someone attacking them with boxing gloves on?

hum.........could it be maybe just maybe they want to stay away from injuries as much as possible while still being able to produce power and full resistance? hum................

[Frost]

hum.........could it be maybe just maybe they want to stay away from injuries as much as possible while still being able to produce power and full resistance? hum................

Oh stop being such a smart arse s if I had wanted a thoughtful coherent answer I would have not asked ED I would have asked someone who actually knows a bit about training

As an aside any poster who managers to not only get goju and knifefighter agreeing on things but also gets goju actually defending knife must be pretty special

And does anyone else notice that those posters who agree with and become friends with HW108 are very special (I am thinking sifu Ali from the wing chun forum here, him and ED seem to have a lot in common….)

[EarthDragon]

frost

I was asking because if you knew anything about full contact MMA and the way people train for it you wouldn’t be saying these stupid things and asking silly questions,

1. I have a weekly TV show here in NY about MMA.
2. I just bought the only octagon cage in WNY.
3. I have chuck anzelone teachign my BJJ class, google him the only graice certifed
in NY do you think he woudl come help teach at my school if I knew nothing about
MMA?
4. I have a fighter fighting his procard this sat'sin "Match in the Mist" at the senca
Niagara casino raging wolf MMA cage match!
5. I trained Joel sutton for UFC 6 and 7 adn he won both altertnative bouts
6. I hosted the world pancrase champion Yoshiki takahashi form Chib japan in 1998
who trained ay my school
7. I have my own youtube channel that will show weekly fights live in HD from my
school starting Jan 1st
is this enough to prove I know just a little about fighting and MMA as well as kung fur for 29 years? I dont need to brag and am quite humble about my knowledge and teachings as I know far more expericned and tougher guys then myself out there so I know some compared with them but I can assure you i know a ton more than you are givng me credit for, lyou must at least agrre to thsi or our coversation will end!
Im not a kid who takes classes for a few yers, this is my life. adn my livelyhood.

Nice…me be nice…..I am generally quite pleasant on here to everyone really apart from those who are either insulting or just being stupid (you manage to fit into both categories well done!)

frsoit I try to respond to your posts with hoineslty and eplaination but when you satart off your repy to me by I dont knwo anything adn i suck yadda yadda I find it hard to hold a disccusaion with you as your repies are just like kniffighter who got banned for beign an as hole dont go there.

you can perform throws takedowns, go into ground and pound all which gloves on, you can even apply some locks (but not very well), if you don’t know how to clinch and throw with boxing gloves on I suggest you go to a sanda or thai club, they seem to manage it ok

I hold 2 clasess a night for the last 14 years, and while we do have boxing gloves in the schol and do use them we we are trainign boxing stlye for stadn up only. when we do kung fu, or BJJ or MMA they come off and either harbinger padded 4oz goes on with open finges or no gloves and if no gloves we refrain from punching direclty in the face it is practice. and i canassure you we go full out blood sometimes but lots of brusises. plus I am smart enough to teach my guys you dont punch the head its to har with or wirhout gloves on so why wear them?

Every MMA gym I have been to and trained in, and every fighter I know of and have met train trains with BOTH MMA gloves and boxing gloves and does the majority of there hard sparring with boxing gloves, why do you think that is?

maybe you havnet trained in the tough gyms? perhaps they dont want sued? maybe its not greared to turn out real fighters? maybe its a recreational MA gym? thy dont hit full conact in takwon do either doesnt mean they are learning realy applicaion

Why do you think they also separate stand-up and ground work and spent a lot of time training just stand up and clinch with boxing gloves, and why do you think they also spend time on the ground defending against someone attacking them with boxing gloves on?

UMMMM they dont if they do, find a more hardcore gym.
sorry for the typos I cant type to save my life

[Hardwork108]

And does anyone else notice that those posters who agree with and become friends with HW108 are very special (I am thinking sifu Ali from the wing chun forum here, him and ED seem to have a lot in common….)

Yes, they all, unlike you, practice genuine kung fu, rather than pseudo kung fu mixed with MMA!

That is something to think about when you, an MMA-ists, are posting in a KUNG FU Forum, while recommending Olympic Weight training practice for the development of one's Internals and Internal body unity....

[Dragonzbane76]

seriously you ban KF for sh!t stirring and this guy gets loose?

[sanjuro_ronin]

frost

1. I have a weekly TV show here in NY about MMA.
2. I just bought the only octagon cage in WNY.
3. I have chuck anzelone teachign my BJJ class, google him the only graice certifed
in NY do you think he woudl come help teach at my school if I knew nothing about
MMA?
4. I have a fighter fighting his procard this sat'sin "Match in the Mist" at the senca
Niagara casino raging wolf MMA cage match!
5. I trained Joel sutton for UFC 6 and 7 adn he won both altertnative bouts
6. I hosted the world pancrase champion Yoshiki takahashi form Chib japan in 1998
who trained ay my school
7. I have my own youtube channel that will show weekly fights live in HD from my
school starting Jan 1st
is this enough to prove I know just a little about fighting and MMA as well as kung fur for 29 years? I dont need to brag and am quite humble about my knowledge and teachings as I know far more expericned and tougher guys then myself out there so I know some compared with them but I can assure you i know a ton more than you are givng me credit for, lyou must at least agrre to thsi or our coversation will end!
Im not a kid who takes classes for a few yers, this is my life. adn my livelyhood.



frsoit I try to respond to your posts with hoineslty and eplaination but when you satart off your repy to me by I dont knwo anything adn i suck yadda yadda I find it hard to hold a disccusaion with you as your repies are just like kniffighter who got banned for beign an as hole dont go there.

I hold 2 clasess a night for the last 14 years, and while we do have boxing gloves in the schol and do use them we we are trainign boxing stlye for stadn up only. when we do kung fu, or BJJ or MMA they come off and either harbinger padded 4oz goes on with open finges or no gloves and if no gloves we refrain from punching direclty in the face it is practice. and i canassure you we go full out blood sometimes but lots of brusises. plus I am smart enough to teach my guys you dont punch the head its to har with or wirhout gloves on so why wear them?



maybe you havnet trained in the tough gyms? perhaps they dont want sued? maybe its not greared to turn out real fighters? maybe its a recreational MA gym? thy dont hit full conact in takwon do either doesnt mean they are learning realy applicaion




UMMMM they dont if they do, find a more hardcore gym.
sorry for the typos I cant type to save my life

Which hardcore gyms are these?