Taekwondo vs WingChun

[rogue]

Mo·rón (mô-rôn)
A city of eastern Argentina, an industrial suburb of Buenos Aires. Population, 596,769.

It's good to be called a moron by someone with such poor spelling abilities.

[Anarcho]

I think one area has been neglected in this otherwise worthwhile thread. Would Bruce Lee using Tae Kwon Do kicks and Wing Chun chi sao while standing on a pedestal defeat a tag team of Ashida Kim using Shaolin Do techniques and Sin The using secret ninjutsu techniques? And if so, how would he do in NHB against an experienced grappler?

[doug maverick]

like i said everytime i speak the truth people try to change it around lets just admit it tkd is whack and i know a dime a dozen cats that'll drop you if you even think about throughing a kick rogue your real stupid how old are you and how long have you been in martial arts? also have you ever been in any real street fights? i'm not hating but **** your ignorance is astounding yo go pick up a book and learn something i thought this forum was about sharing knowledge an some times it is but then you got those people like you and siwft kill who just murder the whole thing it's not my fault your didn't breast feed you don't take it out on me.

[rogue]

Here's some advice right next to the m key on your keyboard is the key for a comma. Also right next to you z key is something called a shift key, it makes letters uppercase, that means big. Both of these may help others understand what you're trying to say, my trolling little friend.

Your last few posts also fly in the face of your previous posts.

[doug maverick]

your a **** fool bit for some strange reason i like you, scary isn't it

[rogue]

It is. Where in NYC you from?

[Internal Boxer]

Are we talking sparring here? if so then basically who cares who will win! What is important if the fight is for real where your attacker is seriously trying to **** you up. In the build up to a street fight your would-be attacker will not tell you what style he does, that if he does any. If he does tell you his style then he is either very inexperienced or full of bull **** and just using intimidation tactics. I know a street fighter not versed in any style but he is one seriously hard ******* who has brutally ****ed up many oponents, boxers, wing chun guys, karate, doormen. I know a few TKD practioners, and they have expressed, the high kick element is purely for the sport of sparring. In reality the simplest and nastiest techniques work the best, ie throat strikes to CV22 or ST9 or anywhere else in that region, since the throat is the most vulnerable. with whatever tool - fingers, palm, fist, wrist, elbow. So it does seem somewhat futile to discuss what style is better than another style. It is the fighting ability (or Gung Fu)of the individual that counts never the style. ;)

[Seeker of the Way]

I agree completely with Fei Jai. In the danish WC school, you learn to punch with surpassing power, and a person reaching 5th technician's degree have punches that I dare call power punches... It'd go straight through your ribs on a clean punch.

*Cheap southern degree* naw, that's what ah call pow'r.

Peace :cool:
SotW

"I know Kung Fu."

[rogue]

:rolleyes:

[atsai]

Is this a long thread... How come we don't have more civilized discussion like this in kung-fu forum? I didn't even know the existence of this forum until today.

Looks like Robin and rogue(the self-proclaimed undisputable first poster on the forum :D ) are the only defenders of tkd here. :)

I often heard this stop kick in tkd. What does it look like and how often do you use it? I know Wing Chun is quite known for its stop kicks.

Somewhere in the thread someone mentioned bad kickings from wing chun guys... There're only a few kicking techniques in Wing Chun, so I think it would be really unwise for anyone to omit even just one of them(what if a boxer omits 'only' one of the punching techniques?). If a wing chun guy who just rushes in and tries to do chi-sau w/ a tkdist, then he'll probably get kicked even if he fight another wing chun guy(or maybe he "expects" to get hit on his way in?). There's a story about Yip Man I read. He sometimes stand in front of the door of his school before training time. As the students come in, he told them that they have to get pass his kicks before they can enter and train...

The below article by a student of Robert Chu is an interesting one, and put you tkd guys in the "enemy's camp"--hey, the thread is wc vs tkd, isnt it? :)

Countering Kicks by Dzu Nguyen on wingchunkuen.com

Here's Philip Holder dodging a kick that maybe of interest. I think Holder trained under Moy Yat and William Cheung. Base I what I know, this kind of front kick(or something like that) can give wing chun guys some trouble. And using footworks to have a more circular entry seem to be the prefered method.



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[This message was edited by Art T on 04-29-01 at 05:19 AM.]

[rogue]

Didn't read anything in the article that wasn't also my experience. The guy sounds like he really worked out with a TKD guy.

The Holder move is good but the only hole I see is that the kicker he's using is weak. I'm by no means a great TKD kicker but one secret TKD people have is the much maligned chambering of the kick.

A good TKD person can change what kind of kick he's going to throw while it's chambered. I've been positive an opponent was throwing a roundhouse and ended up getting a front kick in the gut. No fun.

Also chambering can be protection against someone rushing up your centerline, like some less experienced WC people like to do, trying to jam your kick. That front kick can turn into a nasty knee thrust or a front shin kick to the groin. Also no fun.

This is a good thread since it's more about what each may do while still respecting the arts.

[Godzilla]

>>Against circular kicks, I moved into him rather than wait at the end to see what kick it was. Regardless of whether the kick is clockwise, counterclockwise, or spinning, the center is open for a split second. Move in and take out the support structure (be very careful of injury!) or disrupt his balance to prove your point.

This is what works best for and against me in TKD. If I can, I just shove or push my opponent during sparring. Sometimes, it will knock them down but usually just upset their balance. That’s when you can do some damage and score. I also like to hold my ground sometimes and throw in a front kick while they are preparing to throw a rear leg roundhouse. It’s those guys and girls who can throw front leg roundhouse kicks that really frustrate me. I agree with rogue about good TKD guys/girls able to change their kick from chamber. Sometimes you think you’re going to get hit in the stomach, but end up getting kicked in the head.

Thanks again,
Godzilla

[Robinf]

One of our guys in TKD uses a simple, fast rising block against any hand technique, then, at the same time, throws a side kick to the rib cage right under your lifted arm. Gets me EVERY time!

Robin

Surrender yourself to nature and be all that you are.

[Godzilla]

That’s great Robin. Imagine if you could grab your opponent’s arm and throw that kick. Then, while holding his arm, pull him to the ground and apply an arm bar or wrist lock.

During Aikido class, my instructor asked me to ‘do what I usually do’ from TKD. A high level student charged straight at me. I side stepped and threw a solid roundhouse to his gut. I felt terrible! The instructor said it was okay as the student stood bent over holding his belly. Of course he was okay, but I believe I could have finished him with additional striking while he was vulnerable.

Normally, what we learn to do in Aikido in the same situation is the following. We step forward into the attack either to the inside or the outside. We grab a wrist, arm or back of the neck, twist (do a little dance, almost) and throw.

I am not accustomed to entering like this. My instinct is to back off or side step and strike. I think TKD is much ‘cleaner’ and ‘crisper’ a MA than Aikido. And the kicking exercises are poor. Imagine standing straight ahead with your legs shoulder width apart. Then throw a front kick. No power, nuthin. They disregard roundhouse, push kicks, axe kicks, back kicks, side kicks, etc. as nothing more than wasted energy. (I sure did waste some energy on that guys belly though, ha, ha.) I’m still learning and it’s fun. Lots of practice from choke holds and collar grabs.

Godzilla

[rogue]

Before TKD and karate, my first love was JJJ, so all my counters involve a sweep, hip throw or an arm bar all pretty ugly. I'm always being called on it since it's usually a no-no during sparring.

I'd really like to see a WC and TKD match. I'd also like to see Mantis vs TKD or Karate.