Castro admits Communism 'doesnt work'

[David Jamieson]

I think it needs to be made clear that in that article:

1.NOWHERE IN THE ARTICLE DOES CASTRO SAY COMMUNISM DOESN'T WORK

2. THIS IS NOT COMING FROM FIDEL CASTRO, IT"S COMING FROM HIS BROTHER RAUL

Once again artificial statements as titles from our resident neo-con/republican troll that obfuscate the truth if not outright lying about it.

You take the cake and we're stunned that you think we're stupid enough to fall for your infantile trolling.

Such a weasel way to make a smarmy little comment about something you know nothing about yet have silly and ungrounded emotional reactions to which in turn compel you to vomit out your inane nonsense for us here, over and over again.

Your reading comprehension is terrible 1bad and thanking yourself from another account is the height of trollery. Troll! Give this man a troll badge!

[BJJ-Blue]

1.NOWHERE IN THE ARTICLE DOES CASTRO SAY COMMUNISM DOESN'T WORK

"Fidel Castro told a visiting American journalist that Cuba's communist economic model doesn't work, a rare comment on domestic affairs from a man who has conspicuously steered clear of local issues since stepping down four years ago."

2. THIS IS NOT COMING FROM FIDEL CASTRO, IT"S COMING FROM HIS BROTHER RAUL

"Fidel Castro told a visiting American journalist that Cuba's communist economic model doesn't work, a rare comment on domestic affairs from a man who has conspicuously steered clear of local issues since stepping down four years ago."

Once again artificial statements as titles from our resident neo-con/republican troll that obfuscate the truth if not outright lying about it.

Once again you either fail to read the article, you fail to comprehend the article, or you refuse to accept the article. Which one is it?

Your reading comprehension is terrible 1bad and thanking yourself from another account is the height of trollery. Troll! Give this man a troll badge!

So says the guy who reads an article quoting Fidel Castro then says Fidel Castro never said it!

[sanjuro_ronin]

Uh dude, Fidel said that CUBA's communisim is no longer effective.
That is not him saying Communism doesn't work.

That is like pointing up the horrific economy in the states and saying capitalisim doesn't work.

[SnowDog]

If it's all about geography and an embargo, please explain how Taiwan has faced those exact problems and yet has managed to prosper?

How can you compaire Taiwan's situation with Cuba's?

Taiwan is what was left of the Western backed Nationalist party that ruled China prior to the '48 Communist take-over. They were already trading partners with some of the wealthiest western powers (USA, UK, France) and they were not isolated by the embargo that China placed on them. They were surrounded by friendly ports to do buisness with (Hong Kong, Japan, SE Asia, Philipenes, Australia, etc......) They never had any issues getting foriegn goods or aid. They had multiple foriegn investors and access to anything they needed that they used to rely on China for. And except for Russia there was really no other weathly country that was upholding China's embargo of them.

Cuba on the other hand was isolated from any foriegn aid or foriegn trade, as any country that was in close proximity to them was also reliant on the US or Western Europe to keep their economies a float, so they were not going to endanger their own financial support from the US to trade with Cuba, and none of these coutnries had any military or economic power to force us to allow them to trade with Cuba. And until Chavez took over Venezuala the only true support they had (USSR) was 1/2 way around the world with virtually ZERO influance in the area surrounding Cuba for 1000s of miles.

This is a seriously bad comparrison.

[BJJ-Blue]

Uh dude, Fidel said that CUBA's communisim is no longer effective.
That is not him saying Communism doesn't work.

That is like pointing up the horrific economy in the states and saying capitalisim doesn't work.

Apparently the problems David has with comprehension has affected you. (Which surprises me, you're generally a pretty bright guy) He clearly said exactly what I said that he said. It's right there in written English guys.

As to our economy, we have our ups and downs. Cuba, on the other hand, has been on a downward slide since the late 50s.

Face it, Margaret Thatcher was correct when she said "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." It looks like it took Castro/Cuba about 50 years to prove her right on that one.

[BJJ-Blue]

How can you compaire Taiwan's situation with Cuba's?

Because they share many similarities.

Both are small island nations.
Both are very close to a world power that has either invaded or threatened to invade them.
Both are/were under embargo by said world power.
Both had free trade with a world power, albeit thousands of miles away.
Both had military aid given them by their allies.

And yet the differences are profound. Taiwan has a high standard of living and businesses flocking to come over there. While Cubans are on food and milk rations and have destroyed their private sector.

Again, I'm still stunned you guys are still arguing over this when Fidel Castro himself is in agreeance with me on this.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Dude:

Fidel Castro told a visiting American journalist that Cuba's communist economic model doesn't work,

He said CUBA's, he didn't say communisim in of itself.

The Cuban model doesn't even work for us anymore"

Note, he says it doesn't work for them ANYMORE.


You are being selective in what you want it to say.

Of course Cuba's mode is outdated, it has been since the fall of the USSR.

I know, I've been there and spoken to the people there.
This is old news.

[BJJ-Blue]

He said CUBA's, he didn't say communisim in of itself.

Point taken.

Can you name a country where Communism did work?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Point taken.

Can you name a country where Communism did work?

Not even one, not really.
Like any extremist ideology, it can work for a short stint, perhaps to fix a problem or two, but in the long run it fails because ideologies do not run countries, not matter what anyone wishes to think.
People do.

[David Jamieson]

Point taken.

Can you name a country where Communism did work?

dude, name a country where any economic policy has "worked"

pete's sake, capitalism in your country and the model it is using doesn't work.

but then, you're just a troll. lol

mmmm communism! can you smell the justice of it?

[BJJ-Blue]

dude, name a country where any economic policy has "worked"

pete's sake, capitalism in your country and the model it is using doesn't work.

Capitalism **** sure has worked here. We are a young nation, yet in our short time as a nation we have become the richest nation on Earth. When a country's major health problem is obesety, it's people are doing very, very well.

It's also working in China. Once they allowed free market principles to be implemented, their economy has shot through the roof. And now Cuba is at least smart enough to try it too. Look at the USSR/Russia. Under Communism they had food rationing and long lines for food. Now I'll admit their transition to a free market system has had some issues, but at least the people are now free to eat as they choose and there are no longer long lines for food.

Why you keep sticking up for a recipe that has resulted in failure EVERY SINGLE TIME it is tried is beyond me.

[BJJ-Blue]

Not even one, not really.
Like any extremist ideology, it can work for a short stint, perhaps to fix a problem or two, but in the long run it fails because ideologies do not run countries, not matter what anyone wishes to think.
People do.

Actually one person ran Cuba with a certain ideology and it failed so bad that that guy who ran it for around 50 years now admits it failed.

Communism actually does indeed 'work' for a short period of time, then it inevitably fails. When they first take over a country and steal from those who produce (the minority) and forcefully give it to those who consume (the majority), most all of the people are thrilled. Of course once there is no more wealth created, and thus no new wealth to steal, the whole house of cards comes crashing down. Just like Margaret Thatcher said it would.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Actually one person ran Cuba with a certain ideology and it failed so bad that that guy who ran it for around 50 years now admits it failed.

Communism actually does indeed 'work' for a short period of time, then it inevitably fails. When they first take over a country and steal from those who produce (the minority) and forcefully give it to those who consume (the majority), most all of the people are thrilled. Of course once there is no more wealth created, and thus no new wealth to steal, the whole house of cards comes crashing down. Just like Margaret Thatcher said it would.

Your view of communisim is tainted by your conservative view point, which I can understand, still it is an overly bias view.

[MasterKiller]

Capitalism **** sure has worked here. We are a young nation, yet in our short time as a nation we have become the richest nation on Earth. When a country's major health problem is obesety, it's people are doing very, very well.

It's also working in China. Once they allowed free market principles to be implemented, their economy has shot through the roof. And now Cuba is at least smart enough to try it too. Look at the USSR/Russia. Under Communism they had food rationing and long lines for food. Now I'll admit their transition to a free market system has had some issues, but at least the people are now free to eat as they choose and there are no longer long lines for food.

Yeah, it's been awesome. People are lucky to get 2 weeks off every year to enjoy themselves. We have the most expensive health care in the world yet only run in the middle of the pack for quality, we have the highest infant mortality rate in the civilized world, we don't manufacture anything and our whole economy is based off buying as much as we can and then throwing it away as fast as we can, and corporations spend billions every year to influence our political process in their favor.

All the stuff that's great about America—free education, access to the legal system, superb infrastructure, military power— all just happen to be socialized programs.

[BJJ-Blue]

Your view of communisim is tainted by your conservative view point, which I can understand, still it is an overly bias view.

I fully admit bias (and remember that everyone who has an opinion is biased), but I stand by that statement as 100% true. Is there any part of it you refute?