Give it up to the elderly!!!!!

[David Jamieson]

I've got 138 postures for sale!
the other dozen come free!

[SPJ]

37 postures of Tai chi

that is about right.

the rest are repeats.

we may also include more kicks.

lots of stamping feet and kicks were dropped by Yang lu chan in late 1920s.

if you learn from chen old frames, and yes there are many and many long forms

if you place 2 forms together, then easily more than 100 or 150 postures.

Wondering what karate dojo teaching ?

[SPJ]

come to think of it

both tkd and kara te have tai chi forms

but they are different from chen village

just have the same name


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[YouKnowWho]

come to think of it

both tkd and kara te have tai chi forms

but they are different from chen village

just have the same name


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I have seen a ShaolinDo Taiji form. It's 1, and 2, and 3, and 4, and 1, and 2, and 3, and 4, ... If ShaolinDo guys design a car, their wheel will be square so the tires can rotate as 1, and 2, and 3, and 4, and 1, and 2, and 3, and 4, ...

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Meena Raghavan = Meenakshi Gurukkal = Meenakshiamma, yes or no? The 'amma' in Meenakshiamma means 'mother' if I'm not mistaken, but she looks different in the vid. Gurukkal means teacher, like Guru. Raghavan is an Indian surname. Pardon my Hindi.

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Kendo match: Enbu Taikai: Ota (Age: 102) and Takasaki (Age: 93).



Give it up to the elderly!!!!!

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Hail and hearty, the elderly Chinese who defy their advancing years with range of stunning physical feats
Men who can still do the splits in their seventies and beyond, an octogenarian push-up queen and an ageless boxer show off their prowess
PUBLISHED : Sunday, 29 October, 2017, 4:49pm
UPDATED : Sunday, 29 October, 2017, 4:49pm
Alice Yan



Some of China’s fittest elderly people have been displaying their prowess with physical feats that would challenge many people half their age to mark the Chung Yeung festival on Saturday.
To mark the occasion, the website of People’s Daily published pictures and stories about senior citizens across the country who have remained fit and strong.
One of them was Liu Fuzhong, a 73-year-old Jinzhong resident in Shanxi province.
He was reported to spend about eight hours a day practising physical exercises in the park and often amazes his audience by doing the splits and high kicks.
Liu also hangs himself upside down from a tree in front of his house, for over 10 minutes every day.


Liu Fuzhong is still able to do the splits at the age of 73. Photo: Handout

Liu was not the only one still able to do the splits. Zhang Chenglin, 96 and from Taiyuan in Shanxi, was also said to be well known in his town for doing this stunt.
One slightly younger fitness fanatic was 60-year-old Chen Ming from Changchun, Jilin province, who still takes part in regular bouts in the boxing ring. He said many people who encountered him thought he was in his Forties.
Joining this name list of gymnastic superman and superwoman was an unnamed 97-year-old man from Chongqing who can do a push-up with only three fingers from each hand and Li Guochuan, an 84-year-old woman from Fuzhou, in Fujian province, who is able to do 200 push-ups in 20 minutes.


Li Guochuan, right, can do 200 press-ups in 20 minutes at the age of 84. Photo: Handout

China is one of the world’s fastest ageing countries. In 2015 there were more than 220 million people aged over 60 on the mainland, accounting for just over 16 per cent of the whole population.
Experts predict that China will have 500 million residents aged over 60 at the middle of this century.
Chung Yeung, or the Double Ninth, is a festival that falls on the ninth day of the ninth lunar month.
Traditionally it was a time for families to honour the spirits of their ancestors and it has also become an event to celebrate the elderly in mainland China.

Ultimately, this is where Kung Fu gets the last word in martial arts - longevity.

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101-YEAR-OLD VETERAN’S SECRET TO LONG LIFE IS A DAILY COORS LIGHT
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Produced by Cat Wolinski / @beeraffair
Updated on 2018-12-06


Photo Credit: Coors Light / Facebook.com

Andrew E. Slavonic of McMurray, Penn. turned 101 years old on December 1. His secret to the long, healthy life he continues to enjoy? A daily Coors Light at 4 p.m.

According to Fox News, Slavonic has been drinking a Coors Light daily in the afternoon for the last 15 years. Before that, it was Coors — he’s been a fan of the brand since 1996.

His son, Bob Slavonic, who lives with his father, says he introduced Andrew to the brand. “I think I am the one to blame for the switch because that is all that I have been drinking for about the past 25 years,” he told Fox News.


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Andrew is still “spry,” his son says, and keeps a regular schedule. He wakes at 8:30 a.m., makes his own breakfast and lunch, and reads the newspaper every day.

And each afternoon, “around 4:00 p.m., he tells me that it is 4:00 p.m., and it is time for our beer,” Bob said. “He gets his Coors Light from the garage beer fridge and enjoys a nice cold one. The bluer the mountains are on the can, the better.”

Andrew is a true American: He’s a WWII Air Force Veteran who served as a nose gunner and top turret gunner, along with training new pilots during the war.

Bob reportedly reached out to MillerCoors about his father’s affection for the brew, but has not gotten a response.

Published: December 6, 2018

Daily Coors Light? Nah, I don't want to live to 101 that bad.

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Here's a twist on this thread.

The world’s oldest woman was 122 when she died. A researcher says she was lying about her age.
By Eli Rosenberg January 5

Jeanne Calment died in 1997 in the southern French town in which she was born, and her death drew a flurry of attention.

At 122, an age that had been certified by the Guinness World Records as well as public health researchers, she was the oldest documented person to have lived.

But a Russian mathematician is casting doubt on her record. Nikolay Zak said in a report that he believes Calment was actually Yvonne Calment, Jeanne’s daughter, who Zak says assumed her mother’s identity to avoid inheritance taxes in the 1930s. If true, Yvonne Calment would’ve been 99 if she died in 1997.

The evidence produced by Zak in a paper published recently on the portal ResearchGate is not definitive.

He points to studies that show Calment had lost less than an inch of her height by the time she was older than 100, significantly less height loss than what would have been expected; Yvonne was taller than Jeanne, he says. A passport for Jeanne in the 1930s lists different eye colors for her than she had later in life. He also raises questions about other physical discrepancies in her forehead and chin. He also claims Calment had destroyed photographs and other family documents when she had been requested to send them to the archives in Arles.

The study has caused a global stir since it was issued. It has been covered by news media organizations around the world. Sample headline: “Jeanne Calment cheater?” France Inter radio asked.

But it has been denounced by some scientists, including Jean-Marie Robine, who validated Calment’s age and wrote a book about her around the time of her death.

“All of this is incredibly shaky and rests on nothing,” Robine told Le Parisien.

According to Smithsonian magazine, Robine said Calment answered questions when he interviewed her that only she would have been able to answer, like the name of her math teacher and housekeepers in her building.

“Her daughter couldn’t have known that,” he said, adding that town of Arles would have been in on the ruse.

“Can you imagine how many people would have lied? Overnight, Fernand Calment [Jeanne’s husband] would have passed his daughter for his wife and everyone would have kept silent?” Robine said. “It is staggering.”

Michel Vauzelle, who was the mayor of Arles when Calment died, has said the Russian’s theory is “completely impossible and ridiculous."

Nicolas Brouard, research director at France’s National Institute of Demographic Studies, said some in the research community favor “exhuming the bodies of Jeanne and Yvonne Calment” because of Zak’s study, according to French public radio broadcaster RFI. He also said DNA testing could settle the debate.

In an email, Zak told The Washington Post that he became convinced Calment’s age was suspicious in February while studying mortality patterns of people older then 105.

He said he started to investigate her life in September.

“I funded the work myself, it was a fascinating detective story in front of me,” he said. “Those who criticize my work heavily are those who have a huge conflict of interest or those who didn’t read it.”

He called critics of his report “dishonest” and released a document that rebuts their rebuttals point by point.

Still, he admitted to Reuters that he does not have “cast-iron proof.”

“I reviewed the whole situation,” he said. “There are lots of small pieces of evidence.”

Guinness World Records said it was aware of the report.

“Extensive research is performed for every oldest person record title we verify, which is led by experts in the gerontology field, and they have been notified of the current situation,” it said in a statement distributed by spokeswoman Rachel Gluck.

Robine did not respond to a request for comment.

A Washington Post story about Calment’s 120th birthday describes the broad contours of her life. She was born in Arles, in the south of France, on Feb. 21, 1875, before the invention of the lightbulb. She married Fernand Calment at 21.

“She dabbled in painting, played the piano in her parlor, rode her bicycle around town, hiked and hunted,” buoyed by the success of her husband’s fabric shop, reporter Dana Thomas wrote.

She said she met Vincent van Gogh as a teacher when he came to Arles to paint in 1888, saying she found him “very ugly, ungracious, impolite, sick.”

“Pardon me, but we called him ‘the madman.’” she said. She outlived much of her family. Yvonne died at 36 of pleurisy, Thomas wrote. Fernand died in 1942 at the age of 72 from eating tainted cherries. Calment’s only grandchild, Frederic, was killed in a car accident at 36 in 1963.

Questions about age-related records are not uncommon. Shigechiyo Izumi of Japan was dubbed the world’s oldest man when he died in 1986 at what was believed to be 120 years old. But research that came out later claimed he was around 105. Others claiming ages as high as 125 and up have lacked the required documentation to prove their ages.

The secrets of an exceptionally long life remain elusive. Obituaries about Calment noted that she was known for her love of chocolate — she reportedly ate two pounds a week — treated her skin with olive oil and rode a bicycle until she was 100. She had quit her two-cigarettes-a-day habit only a few years before her death — not for health, but because she could not longer light a cigarette without asking for help, The Washington Post wrote.

Under an obscure French system called viager — when a buyer purchases a home from an older person and begins paying mortgage but is only able to move in after that person dies — Calment had a man paying her mortgage for more than 30 years, The Post reported. She had signed the deal with him when she was 90.

Clarification: An earlier version of this report said that Nikolay Zak was part of the Moscow Center For Continuous Mathematical Education, due to information on the portal where he published his research. Zak says he has not been affiliated with the Center for many years. The story has been updated.

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SCIENCE
HOW WE KNOW THE OLDEST PERSON WHO EVER LIVED WASN’T FAKING HER AGE
A researcher claims that identity theft was at play in the case of Jeanne Calment, the world’s oldest person, but experts say that evidence is weak.
By Angela Chen@chengela Jan 9, 2019, 12:47pm EST
Illustration by Alex Castro

What if Jeanne Calment, the oldest person who ever lived, lied about her age? What if she wasn’t an astounding 122 years old when she died, but a lowly 99 because she wasn’t even Jeanne Calment?
Such is the theory of Russian mathematician Nikolay Zak, and it has everything: world records, statistics-defying long life, identity theft, tax evasion, and researchers duking it out with each other. In a paper posted to the research-sharing site ResearchGate, Zak claims that Calment actually died at age 59 in 1934, at which point her daughter Yvonne assumed her mother’s identity to avoid paying inheritance taxes. That would have meant that “Jeanne” was not even a century old when she died in 1997.

If true, the Calment story would be a truly spectacular case of fraud; even just the theory has captured international attention. And the same month that Zak released his findings, the journal PLOS Biology published a paper arguing that some exciting conclusions from aging research are caused by statistical error (from bad data if not outright fraud). So how do we know that Calment didn’t lie about her age? How do we know for sure how old anyone is?

The Calment controversy has demographers and non-demographers making different claims. It’s also a case of establishment science versus a less-supported but more titillating hypothesis. Though there continues to be back-and-forth, experts say that, most likely, Jeanne Calment is who she said she was: a woman from the southern French town of Arles who met van Gogh, rode a bike until she was 100, and smoked two cigarettes a day until a few years before she died at 122.

Humans want to know how to live forever — or at least for a little while longer. That’s why people click on headlines about chocolate being the secret to a 102-year-old woman’s longevity even while knowing that, come on, chocolate is not the secret. Spurious connections aside, the past century has seen a big increase in the frequency of really old people surviving, and scientists are still debating the limits of the human lifespan.

“THE PROBABILITY IS EXTREMELY LOW, BUT EXTREMELY LOW PROBABILITY AND IMPOSSIBLE ARE TWO DIFFERENT WORDS.”

Being able to accurately predict how many people will live to very old age is a “really important societal question,” says Daniel Promislow, a gerontologist at the University of Washington who was not involved with either of the recent papers. For example, an accurate understanding of these numbers will affect how much social support we’re going to need for the elderly, and that research would not be very useful if all of these 115-year-olds were actually much younger.

This is exactly what could be happening, says Saul Newman. Newman, a postdoctoral fellow at Australian National University who studies wheat genomics using machine learning, wrote the recent PLOS Biology paper casting doubt on longevity claims. Fraud or bad intentions aren’t necessary. Discrepancies could be as simple as a misrecorded birthdate, especially given that today’s supercentenarians (or people over 110 years old) were born in a time with lower literacy rates and less detailed record-keeping. And because there are so few supercentenarians to begin with, you only need tiny mistakes to throw off calculations and create dramatic statistical results.

Newman says statistical errors undermine the findings of two high-profile (and dueling) papers on the lifespan debate. One, published in Nature in 2016, suggests a maximum lifespan for humans of around 115. The other, published in Science in 2018, claims there might not be such a maximum. As a general rule, the longer we live, the more likely we are to die. The Science paper — which studied 4,000 Italians over the age of 105 — claims that after that age, the chances of dying actually level off, creating a so-called mortality plateau. The possibility of bad data means both of these papers are statistically flawed, Newman says, adding, “For 20 years, scientists have been fighting over an error distribution.”

Yet Kenneth Wachter, a demographer at UC Berkeley and co-author on the Science study, argues that Newman’s critiques are based on a hypothetical model and don’t take into account the actual data the team used. “We have birth certificates matched to age reports and death certificates,” Wachter says. “He has a theoretical exercise, but it’s not one that applies to our data.”

That’s not good enough, Newman replies. “That’s based on the idea that official documentation can never be wrong, and we know that’s not true. How many times are you in the DMV and they’ve made an error?”

So who’s correct?

These ideas aren’t entirely contradictory, says Dmitri A. Jdanov, a mathematician at the Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research who specializes in data collection and processing for the International Database on Longevity. The issue that Newman raises is real, but it’s not new. Demographers have long known that misreporting can create a lot of errors that throw off analyses. Books such as Validation of Exceptional Longevity, Exceptional Longevity: From Prehistory to the Present and Supercentenarians all deal with this methodological question. According to Jdanov, massive errors do exist in population data, but such errors are far, far less likely in the very carefully checked data about supercentenarians.

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“FROM A SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE, WHETHER JEANNE CALMENT LIVED TO 122 OR 110 OR 112, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT EXTREME OUTLIERS FROM THE CURVE.”

Demographers at the International Database of Longevity start by requesting data from a national statistical office about all people in the country who died at, say, age 110 and older. (It’s hard to get information about people who are still alive because of privacy laws.) Then, they take every case and send messages to the person’s birthplace, get the original birth certificate and baptism record, census records, and more. “They track this person throughout their whole life,” says Jdanov. “All official documents, marriage certificates, birth certificates of children. It’s a huge amount of work with archives, and it certainly needs a lot of resources.” There is a chance that a birth certificate can be wrong, but the chance that every single piece of archival information throughout someone’s life is wrong is much lower.


As Wachter says, mistakes are possible — no one will ever claim that these methods are infallible — but the rates of error that Newman suggests are unlikely given how carefully a lot of this data is validated. Demographers are aware of the statistical issues surrounding claims of old age, and they try to take every precaution possible to avoid it.

All of which brings us back to Calment. Some scientists have lauded Zak’s imposter theory, but Jdanov is skeptical. Zak’s paper hasn’t been accepted for publication in a journal, “and I am almost sure that it will not pass any real scientific review,” he says. It’s not even the first time people have suspected Jeanne Calment of not being Jeanne Calment.

Zak’s arguments aren’t persuasive, Jdanov says. For example, Zak begins the paper by claiming the probability that she’d be able to reach this age is very low. “Well yes,” says Jdanov. “That’s right, the probability is extremely low, but extremely low probability and impossible are two different words.”

Other arguments are based on tiny inconsistencies. One piece of evidence is that a Facebook poll of 224 people reported that Calment didn’t look that old. In another instance, as the National Post pointed out, the fact that Calment “hated socialists” is used as an example of motive for identity theft and tax evasion. Most plausibly, Calment destroyed many of her personal papers. Still, speaking to Reuters, Zak, who is not a demographer, said that he has lots of small pieces of evidence but not “cast-iron proof.”

Meanwhile, French gerontologist Jean-Marie Robine worked extensively with Calment to catch potential inconsistencies, even asking and verifying details like the name of housekeepers in her building. Not just her family, but the entire city of Arles would have needed to keep the conspiracy going. “Can you imagine how many people would have lied? Overnight, Fernand Calment [Jeanne’s husband] would have passed his daughter for his wife and everyone would have kept silent?” Robine told Le Parisien. “It is staggering. All of this is incredibly shaky and rests on nothing.”

Jdanov sums his position up elegantly: “I see on the one hand a very prominent researcher who did a lot of work over the case, and from the other side, I see a guy whose first argument is that the probability is very low, the second argument is mostly about photos, and he also wrote that he’s not a professional in this area.”

Newman isn’t convinced and argues that we need to move away from using documents at all. “What we need is a way of biologically measuring how old someone is,” he says, “something that can’t be forged, that can’t be accidentally swapped or taken over by a sibling.”

A biological method of age verification doesn’t really exist yet, says Craig Atwood, a gerontologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. When it comes to identity theft, you could do whole-genome sequencing of someone at birth and at death. If that data matched perfectly, it would at least show that the two were the same person. With this method, you’d basically have to start sequencing babies now.

The way Atwood sees it, the fraud theories might be intriguing, but such cases don’t have much effect when it comes to our hope of living longer. “From a scientific perspective, whether Jeanne Calment lived to 122 or 110 or 112, we’re talking about extreme outliers from the curve,” he says. That’s not quite relevant to understanding what makes the body age and how to change or delay that process. “It’s so far away from the biological underpinnings of what’s driving the aging process,” he says. “I just don’t know that it’s going to help us get to where we need to go in terms of researching longevity.”

Intriguing. Now I get why this is so controversial.

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Not martial arts, but daaaaaaaaamnn.

This 75-Year-Old Grandmother Won Award At Bodybuilding Contest With Her Killer Body
She urges everyone to chase after their dreams, regardless of age.
June 16th, 2019



A 75-year old grandmother has been receiving the spotlight for having won 2nd place in a bodybuilding competition.



Lim Jong So was born in 1944 and despite her elderly age of 75 years, she began exercising for health purposes.

I like exercising so I did aerobics for 35 years but I got stenosis. I wasn’t able to walk with my right leg and as a part of treatment, I began going to the gym in May of last year.

ㅡ Lim Jong So

Eventually, with regular exercise and consistent efforts, Lim Jong So managed to with the 2nd place in a bodybuilding contest, competing against women in their late 30’s and above because there was no category for the elderly.

Grandmother Lim Jong So explained that whatever you do, you must take it on with confidence and with desperation.

She concluded by encouraging everyone to chase after their dreams, regardless of age.



Everyone has dreams. But if you give up on those dreams because of old age, life becomes too meaningless. If you challenge yourself to your dreams even after aging, I believe you will be able to have a great life in your remaining time.

ㅡ Lim Jong So

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Stoneham Couple Benefits From Healthy Aging Tai Chi Program
Stoneham Couple Credits Healthy Aging Program Tai Chi—And Dick Van Dyke—For Improving Their Mobility
By Mystic Valley Elder Services, Neighbor
Nov 25, 2019 4:11 pm ET


Dick Van Dyke is the reason Eddie Di Muzzio can now lift one leg off the floor. Just a year ago, he couldn't imagine balancing himself without holding onto a chair.

Eddie and his wife, Pauline, were watching a television program hosted by the actor/comedian Dick Van Dyke. Van Dyke, who is 93 years old and an advocate of a healthy aging lifestyle, was promoting the Tai Cheng program, a form of Tai Chi, particularly geared toward older adults. He credited Tai Chi for improving his mobility. Van Dyke's program convinced Eddie and Pauline to give Tai Chi a try to help improve their coordination and balance, which had been a problem for them for years.

As Stoneham residents, the couple signed up for a Dr. Paul Lam's Tai Chi for Health course at the Stoneham Senior Center. The course is offered through Mystic Valley Elder Services as part of its Healthy Aging Program. It consists of a free eight-week, one-hour class on learning the basics of Tai Chi. The couple was hooked and have been taking classes for more than a year.

Prior to taking the Tai Chi classes, Eddie could hardly stand. He had pain and stiffness throughout his legs and suffered from light neuropathy in his foot. And when he did stand, his balance was off. Pauline shared the same problem, her coordination while walking was poor. Eddie, at nearly 88 years old, and Pauline, being 84, just accepted it as a burden of getting old.

Eddie and Pauline are currently taking their third Healthy Aging Program Tai Chi course, this one at the Milano Family Senior Center in Melrose. Because the Tai Chi courses are so popular, the class was filled at the Stoneham location. But that did not stop them from taking classes.

"We really enjoy the class and the company," says Eddie. "Many of the same people take the classes so we get to know one another. There is only one other male in the class, so we hang out together."

Eddie admits that it took him a while to learn the steps and get acclimated to the moves. But as he learned when he began to play the piano back in the day, it is all about practice. He is beginning to master the movements and can feel the difference in his legs with more flexibility and less pain. Pauline can see a major difference in her walking; her coordination is much better than it was a year ago.

Another reason the couple continues to take the course is because of their class leader, Susan Becker. "Susan is a people person," says Pauline. "She is very personable and a great leader. She explains the process making sure all of us understand it and will work with you until you have the movement down."

Both agree that having Susan lead their class really adds to the sessions. "She's an excellent teacher," says Eddie. "She goes over the actions until we have retained what we have learned."

Coincidently, Susan recently won the Kate Lorig Healthy Living Innovation Award, which is given by the Healthy Living Center of Excellence annually to recognize the innovative efforts of individuals or organizations for their creative thinking, commitment, and implementation of ideas that improve the quality of life for older adults through healthy aging programs.

For more information on Mystic Valley Elder Services' Healthy Aging Programs, please contact Donna Covelle, Healthy Aging Program Coordinator, at (781) 388-4867 or dcovelle@mves.org.

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