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  1. #136

    Are you gifted in logic ?

    Only one name for each movement of wing chun
    but so much difference from one sifu to another one

    strange !!!

    So far you go from the original, how much more you will have tu use muscles strength

    when wing chun built the system,she gave one name for one specific movement with a very precise location, and not for something different

    thats the original

    wing chun is just as precise as geometry

    1cm away , and it is not anymore working

    so why mister x is doing so different from you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOSHE View Post
    Only one name for each movement of wing chun
    but so much difference from one sifu to another one

    strange !!!

    So far you go from the original, how much more you will have tu use muscles strength

    when wing chun built the system,she gave one name for one specific movement with a very precise location, and not for something different

    thats the original

    wing chun is just as precise as geometry

    1cm away , and it is not anymore working

    so why mister x is doing so different from you ?
    Dont get what you are saying - is this supposed to be sarcasm?

  3. #138
    Could be a language problem. Not clear exactly who he is addressing.

    Further, I don't think that Yim Wing Chun,if she was a real person had a a name for each and every movement.
    Agree that one should strive for precision in developing movements in wing chun training.

    joy chaudhuri

  4. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by MOSHE View Post
    Only one name for each movement of wing chun
    but so much difference from one sifu to another one

    strange !!!

    So far you go from the original, how much more you will have tu use muscles strength

    when wing chun built the system,she gave one name for one specific movement with a very precise location, and not for something different

    thats the original

    wing chun is just as precise as geometry

    1cm away , and it is not anymore working

    so why mister x is doing so different from you ?
    I agree, a cm either way and your in trouble. knowing the geometry is key to a functional 'fighting' system. You dont need geometry in sticking overturning c r a p.
    There are certain key actions being discussed on another thread that gives the reasons for so many variations.

  5. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by trubblman View Post
    dont get what you are saying - is this supposed to be sarcasm?
    no

    trying to prove what i was writing above,about original and sha wah son
    wing chun

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOSHE View Post
    thats the original

    wing chun is just as precise as geometry

    1cm away , and it is not anymore working
    If your movements are 1 cm away from a break down, your kung fu sucks.
    When you control the hands and feet, there are no secrets.
    http://www.Moyyat.com

  7. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    If your movements are 1 cm away from a break down, your kung fu sucks.

    Wrong, if your kung fu isnt capable of fighting to this level of position then your in trouble. Why do you think hand chasing is such a cardinal sin in our centerline system ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    Wrong, if your kung fu isnt capable of fighting to this level of position then your in trouble. Why do you think hand chasing is such a cardinal sin in our centerline system ?
    Haven't you previously poo-pooed the idea of a 47.5-degree tan sao, etc.

    Now you have to be 'inch perfect'? In a fight? Really? When you have to deal with incoming force at such a speed you don't even have time to think but can still be accurate to a centimetre?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFT View Post
    Haven't you previously poo-pooed the idea of a 47.5-degree tan sao, etc.

    Now you have to be 'inch perfect'? In a fight? Really? When you have to deal with incoming force at such a speed you don't even have time to think but can still be accurate to a centimetre?
    Not pooing it , jokingly implying more precision..
    Thats the whole point you just hit on.
    Can you be this precise at speed with force, timing, etc.

    mindlessly

    The centerline concept and our arms relationship to it as we intersect the line with each rotation, attacking.

    We use ballistic force in actions 'along' the line to open the line up 'without' leaving it ourselves.

    Its genius .

    The only limit is the human ability to not make mistakes, ergo the system is seen as a self correcting of mistakes we make when facing this idea ourselves.

    Why Chi-sao is a compliant drill , to improve our mistakes, speed up mindless reactions to face, chase, deal with interceptions AND attack in every action...

    Easy ?

    Everyone I have shown this idea too all agree...all have said the same thing when shown ...

    " Why havent I ever had this method explained before ? "
    Last edited by k gledhill; 07-07-2011 at 06:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    Wrong, if your kung fu isnt capable of fighting to this level of position then your in trouble. Why do you think hand chasing is such a cardinal sin in our centerline system ?
    What about fighting to your level of strawman? Apparently, that isn't a cardinal sin in your system.
    When you control the hands and feet, there are no secrets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    Not pooing it , jokingly implying more precision..
    Thats the whole point you just hit on.
    Can you be this precise at speed with force, timing, etc.
    What is theoretically a flaw (1 cm) is not necessarily one that can be capitalized upon by someone else when there is a modicum of reality at play.

  12. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan View Post
    What about fighting to your level of strawman? Apparently, that isn't a cardinal sin in your system.
    Only if you dont understand...you dont, can your ego take that ?

  13. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by CFT View Post
    What is theoretically a flaw (1 cm) is not necessarily one that can be capitalized upon by someone else when there is a modicum of reality at play.
    Thats the reality, how close can we get to that perfection ?

    Thats the idea...
    Last edited by k gledhill; 07-07-2011 at 08:49 AM.

  14. #149

    Ng chan

    消沉中期(1954-1962年)
    不幸叶师开始再次吸食鸦片,继续战前时期的嗜好,并与有共同嗜好的上海女子相好。自此时开始,叶问开始无心 教授,梁相和骆耀等时常好言相劝,最终(1955年)导致徐尚田以书面劝说,当时的主要弟子除了伍灿之外, 都在信中签署联名。
    当时的梁相、骆耀、徐尚田和叶步青一起在上海街叶步青家中学至木人桩中段。叶步青在香港是第一个学习木人桩 者。在其家安装的木人桩亦是问公来港所接触的第一台木桩。
    叶问看到书信后,一言不发,并找到伍灿帮助,即日迁移到上海女子位于李郑屋邨的住处,且生了一名儿子叶少华 。
    梁相身为大师兄,叶师认为徐尚田上书一事,必是梁君计策。梁于是离港到澳门工作一年,事件平定后再回来解释 。
    其他弟子都来交心并愿意追随终身,全套108式桩法和八斩刀法皆在此时传出。李小龙和梁绍鸿是此处的早期学 生,伍灿为助教,邻近巴士职工多人来习武,邹子传于此时加入。由于李郑屋邨住处地方狭窄,并无处可放置木人 桩设备,这时期的学生鲜能接触木桩长棍。60年代,李小龙回港后,欲重金给与问师学习木人桩不 果。
    1962年,得悉两名儿子来港,又在一群弟子关怀之下,决心戒掉鸦片烟,并迁到大埔道兴业大厦。
    半退休时期(1963年后)
    两名正室儿子叶准和叶正于1962年到港,晚间居于父亲教拳处,日间出外工作,当时相处并不和睦。邓生探长 得到师父王柱(梁相大弟子-四虎中的短脚虎)引见执弟子礼,当时观塘警务人员亦有多人学习咏春,这时叶问的 生活较为好转,可是教拳已稍微有心无力。邓生、彭锦发和篮贤等弟子发起成立联谊会,在会中教拳,待经费自给 自足之余,部分与老人家退休生活。
    邓生成立体育会
    邓生认为咏春拳是值得发扬的实用武术,故倡议组织及规划整理咏春拳的内容,并联络师公梁相及各位师叔公辈会 面,望能成立联谊会。并选择年青有现代教育根基可以代表咏春派的新一辈教练,意图推广与青少年和学生们。因 为利益和辈份的问题,选择谁人主理总教一职,困难重重。

  15. #150

    yip man

    叶问宗师(1893--1972) ,在世享寿七十九年。他一生对詠春的发扬,居功至伟。世界上不少詠春界人士及詠春拳术的爱好者,历来发表不 少有关宗师的文章,有探讨技术的、研究历史的、以及纪述宗师一些生活鳞瓜的。为此,借宗师一百周年诞辰之庆 ,编写宗师年谱,以供有关人士日后参考。本年谱主要纪录宗师对詠春一派的相关历史及贡献,而对于他的学业、 职业等则从简处理。此外,宗师一生亲炙门生千累万,绝难一一罗列,当中如有挂漏实非所愿,敬希 海涵为盼。
    1893年10月10 (清光绪癸已年九月初五),宗师生于广东省佛山市,即前广东省南海县佛山镇。是故宗师对其籍贯常书成广东南 海。宗师严亲乃叶霭多、严慈吴瑞,姊弟共计四人。分别为长兄继格、姊允媚(适庞) 、妹允堪(适傅) 及宗师继问。
    1899年--1905年(清光绪己亥至乙巳年),宗师六至十二岁。佛山。宗师随陈华顺公(找钱华)学习詠春拳术。当时陈 华顺公设教在佛山镇桑园大街的叶氏宗祠。因叶氏宗祠正是宗师家族的宗祖祠堂,故宗师有缘随陈华顺公习武。当 时和宗师一起的同修,计有雷汝济、吴仲素、吴小鲁……
    1905年宗师十二岁。佛山。陈华顺公仙逝。华公大乐之前,嘱咐吴仲素助宗师完成詠春艺业。稍后,宗师随众 师兄们护送华公灵柩返乡——顺德陈村安葬。
    1905年--1907年(清光绪乙已年至丁未年),宗师十二至十四岁。佛山。宗师谨遵华公遗言,随师兄吴仲素勤修拳艺。 当时吴仲素设馆于普君墟的线香街某处,而在吴馆习武的尚有阮奇山,姚才(姚祺之父) 等。
    1908年(清光绪戊申年),宗师十五岁。香港。宗师得姻亲庞伟庭资助,来港求学,就读于赤柱区,圣士提反 书院,而住在港岛,半山区,坚道某处。
    1909年--1913年(清宣统巳酉年至1913年),宗师十六至二十岁。香港。宗师得同班同学的介绍而认识梁碧,其后 ,宗师再随梁碧深造詠春近四年。
    1914年, 香港、日本神户、佛山。宗师得乃兄继格协助,拟远赴日本求学,后因事故未果。
    1914年--1937年,宗师廿一至四十四岁。佛山、广州。在这二十多年的岁月里,可简述宗师的生活如下:工作方面:大 致上是从事军、警方面的工作。家庭方面:娶妻张永成为元配夫人,亦佛山望族。其为清光绪戊戌政变中,历史关 键人物,清末大臣张荫垣的后人。子嗣方面:宗师与元配所生有四,按排序为叶学准(叶准) 、学正(叶正) 、雅心(适伍) 、雅媛(适吴) 。这时期宗师除工作外,社交应酬人缘甚好,更喜与武林人士交往,相互研究及切磋武术因而武名大噪。南国武林 同道都知道佛山有叶问。宗师亦不时与詠春同门交换心得,探讨所学。当年叶家有一大花园,空地广阔。在那里经 常见到宗师与同门进行黐手锻炼;而在大厅另一角,置有木人桩一具,宗师时常在那里埋头苦练。其时,常与宗师 一起练拳的同修除阮奇山,姚才外,还有叶仲康、黎协篪、汤继等诸位。
    1937年,宗师四十四岁。佛山。日寇南侵,南中国沦陷。
    1937年--1945年,宗师四十四至五十二岁。佛山。八年抗战,佛山沦陷,由伪zf管治。宗师素重节义,生活十分艰难 ,家中时有断炊之苦,幸赖宗师好友周清泉不时接济。宗师为报其恩,遂答应收其子周光耀为徒,并 于1941年--1943年间,在永安路联昌花纱行内设教。与周光耀同期学拳的还有郭富、陈志新、吕应、伦佳,周细……以上 诸位,应算是叶问宗师行教以来的第一批门生。上述同门,除陈志新、吕应已身故外,现仍健在者如郭富、伦佳两 位,仍分别在广州,佛山两地教授詠春拳术。
    1945年,宗师五十二岁。佛山。中国抗战胜利。
    1945年--1949年,宗师五十二至五十六岁。佛山、广州。这时期是宗师工作上最繁忙的日子,就连他一直醉心的詠春功 夫也得暂时放下。唯独在1948年时候,彭南经宗师好友汤继介绍,及自己的苦求下,宗师最终答允在百忙之中 拨冗到上沙众义体育会,对彭南在拳上作过一些指导。
    1949年,宗师五十六岁。澳门、香港。大陆解放后,宗师决定经澳门到香港。在澳门逗留期间,宗师得朋友帮 助,旅居于草堆街朋友开设的雀鸟铺达半月。最终离澳低港,开展了宗师人生的一页。
    1950年--1953年宗师五十七至六十岁。
    1950年七月,经同乡李民介绍,宗师终于在香港开始第一个詠春拳术班,地点在九龙深水埗区大南街的饭店职 工总会。开班初期,仅得梁相、骆耀……等八位,他们全是该会的职工。而于稍后参加的同门,则有除尚田、叶步 青、招允、李恩荣、罗炳、文少雄……后来大家公称这阶段为[前期饭店工会] 。与此同时,宗师还在饭店职工总会位于香港岛上环区的公安分会设教。在该处习拳的,有李荣、余美琼、李银欢 ……
    1953年--1954年,宗师六十至六十一岁。当时由于饭店总会的行政架构改选,梁相重选落败。工会理事易人后,宗师发 觉与他们道不同,难相为谋,遂将拳馆硬迁至深水埗区海坛街某处设教。当时投到宗师门下者,相继有黄淳梁、王 乔、黄作、伍灿……其间,宗师有到深水埗区汝洲街的三太子庙作私人教授,从学者有李汉等。
    1954年--1955年,宗师六十一至六十二岁。梁相重掌饭店工会行政大权,宗师又将拳馆迁回饭店公会。这时期大家公称 为 [后期饭店公会]。加入这期詠春班的同门有李金成、简华捷、卢文锦、张卓庆、梁绍雄……
    1955年--1957年,宗师六十二至六十四岁。这时宗师又迁馆至九龙油麻地区利达街某处设馆。那时投到宗师门下者,计 有李小龙、陈成、张学健、萧煜民、潘炳烈、彭锦发……
    1957年--1963年,宗师六十四至六十九岁。在这五年多时间中,宗师设教于深水埗区李郑屋村某处,这时期的从学者, 计有麦普、杨熙、梅逸、何金铭等。同时礼聘宗师作私人教授的同门特别多,分别有:1)在港岛筲箕湾区顺记缸 瓦铺设教,从学者有王伯夷、王荣、杨淙瀚、周乐志、黄国有……2)在九龙尖沙咀区宝勒巷某处设教,从学者有 唐祖志、李伟志、陈德超、谭礼等。
    1962年--1963年,宗师六十九至七十岁。宗师将拳馆迁至大埔道六十一号兴业大厦一单位设教,当时到馆从学者有张耀 荣、何联、章静安、陈暖林、陈太炎、郭思恩……而私人教援的地点则在尖沙咀区式华洋服铺,从学者有郑彼德和 在宝勒巷设教时的一班旧生。
    1963年--1965年,宗师七十岁至七十二岁。这时宗师再迁馆至大角咀福全街的大生饭店的阁楼设教。该处原为饭店的货 仓,由饭店东主何联借予宗师师用。到馆从学者,多为兴业大厦时期的旧生,除何联外,尚有杨宗瀚、屈榕生、彭 锦发、章静安、李恩荣、邱克苏……这时期宗师教授私人课的地点设在九龙新蒲岗衍庆街某宅。到上址学拳的,多 为警务人员,计有邓生、蓝贤发、袁志刚、李耀辉、黄国……

    1965年--1972年,宗师七十二至七十九岁。大生饭店的教务结束后,宗师并没有另置新馆,而多留在通菜街住所了。此 时宗师年事已高,心境早作半退休状态。虽然如此,但他不时仍作个别教授。这时期,个别到宗师住所学拳的同门 ,有王仲华(一谔居士) 、黄禧、韩泽全等。而出外援拳时的驻脚地方有四处:1) 詠春体育会。詠春体育会于1967年经zf批准成为注社团有限公司,亦是本港国术组织中第一个注的团体。当 时会方决定在会址开设詠春拳班,由宗师主持,协助宗师的助教有章静安、冯汉、黄汉忠……但该班维持仅三数个 月就停止了。 2)九龙窝打老道陈卫匡家中。从学者除了陈卫匡、陈肇龙兄弟外;还有王子安、陈锦铭、钟佑、刘汉琳、文彦光 等……3)九龙旺角区自由道刘汉琳家中的天台。此乃窝打老道援拳时的延续。陈卫匡因事未能继续学习,大家就 移址往刘汉琳处继续练拳。在这时加入的同门有王嗣明,宗师还正式收录一位名吴月多的女弟子。 4) 香港岛司徒拔道肇辉台,叶承芍律师府邸。在这里从学者,不单是叶律师,其他人士都是大律师身份。这里也可说 宗师最后一处教拳的地方。宗师因年迈得病,终于在1972年12月1日(农历十月二十六日) 在通菜街家中辞世。终年享寿七十有九岁。

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