this almost reminds me of cult like aspects that were discussed in martial arts on previous thread
this almost reminds me of cult like aspects that were discussed in martial arts on previous thread
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i am not crazy! i have merely seen the light and opened the doors of my mind to the various alternate universes of reality!!!!
I am pork boy, the breakfast monkey.
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See the beginning of the thread:Moshe started off nicely about NG Chan who has not been much in the lime light and Raymond shared some insights from what his father told him about Ng Chan.
But Moshe- perhaps because of language gap possibly got drawn into the not unusual contentious chemistry of this net forum and pushed some wrong buttons- by assuming that all of wing chun outside of his is mercenary, masculine etc etc.
I would not be too hard on a relatively new poster.
joy chaudhuri
I see that you have 20 years in WC. Well, I have 40 years in WC with many different Sifus and I still don't say that I have the Holy Grail of WC. You need to tone it down a little because I'm not impressed in the least. Throughout my WC history I have NEVER said that other people's WC is less then mine. Do you know why? It's because NONE of us were present during the development of WC. We can only report what our respective Sifus tell us and to me that's not enough. Otherwise opinions/stories are like a**holes. Everyone has one. I'd also like to add that I competed in MANY full contact events using WC. My WC has worked for me. I NEVER lost a competition. Have you tested your superior WC in competitions?????
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How about you write in your native French Moshe?
We may be able to understand a bit better then? I mean someone on here must be fluent? I can speak a bit, but not enough for the tech WC stuff.
Just a thought? Rather than bickering? Dont forget not all cultures are the same and whilst some of you guys think Moshe is belittling your WC, try going to France and explaining in their language why you think your version of WC is effective. Meanings may get lost in translation.
Cheers
Bully
edit, I see we have some Canadian guys, anyone from the French speaking part? Quebec iirc??
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Type it in French - I studied French for 5 years and still read. We can always have Google translate for us.
Rene speaks French fluently, my friend Jacques does also.
Thanks for the post, Raymond...
Very interesting (and seemingly thorough) timeline and lists of who studied with Yip Man, and where...and when.
And very interesting (and seemingly thorough) timeline for Yip Man's entire life history.
I won't argue about who was sihing/sidai between William Cheung and Ng Chan - because how could I know for sure?
Still interested in when it was exactly that Ng Chan lived with Yip Man.
Do you know?
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I get the impression from one "history" that Ng Chan began after WSL when IM had shifted from
teaching at the Restaurant workers union (where Leung Sheung began)to Hoi Tan st... then a year or two later the school moved back to the Restaurant workers union where W. Cheung became a student... making Cheung- Ng Chan's sidai.
The changes were related to union politics and changes in union leadership possibly.
In the long run it doesn't matter- (who knows?the shadow knows)what matters is how the art was taught by different people...and
according tp Moshe...Ng Chan's wc was more cognizant of the feminine side of wing chun than some others.I wish Moshe or your father could elaborate more on that?(Without generalizing about all other wing chun)
Impressions can be interesting though real history can be problematic. There are different timelines sometimes given...but not all private students knew each other. There is also Ip Chun's time line though he came to HK much later around 1962?
I am often skeptical of "histories"-especially where egos of the narrators are involved.
Getting late-no proof reading or editing.... good night!
joy chaudhuri
I am thankful that a great art continued downstream to our times.
I do remember Moy Yat once saying that Ng Chan was Duncan Leung's sifu.
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It's not only that the private students didn't know eachother, it's also difficult because most of the younger commercial students didn't know them either.
I guess with Ip Man Private' actually meant 'Private'!
At a gathering held last weekend, my Uncle Sifu Austin Goh talked briefly about how Lee Shing was so proud to learn from Ip Man, and he cherished the time he spent with him in Hong Kong, mostly learning in Hotel rooms! He felt that he also had been passed something very special indeed and this was one of the main reasons for his reluctance to teach brawlers and trouble makers.
It seems that Ng Chan was around at similar times to Lee Shing (1950's), so I was wondering if anything has ever been said to you about them knowing eachother? Lee Shing was only in his thirties back then.
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If you read Raymond's post carefully, it says that Duncan started with Ng Chan and then became Yip Man's student.