what does the forum say about uki?

[taai gihk yahn]

i suppose socialize was not the most appropriate of words that i could have chosen from to use...

I would concur w/that re-assessment, LOL

my agenda is simply against the hack of martial arts thru buisness marketting, money making, egocentric instructors, and the general, pointless "categorization" of styles into who-what-why-how-when is/are better than someone elses...

there is certainly value to your perspective

these folks that irk me are the ones that throw out personal insults to others because they seemingly do not meet up to their preconcieved set of standards.

while I agree with you that there are those here who do display those traits, I also would suggest that this is a behavior set that you also engage in, often unprovoked;

it's like they believe that unless you are a paying student in some Mcdojo somewhere or if you don't fight in sanctioned "sport" fights, that you are somehow inferior in the martial arts world

I think that's a bit of projection...

which truly has become nothing more than another way to make a buck...

MA has been about "making a buck" since as far back as there have been organized social systems: warfare is about resource enhancement; fighting is about social prestige; bodyguarding is about making a living; MA school-ownership is something that I know many honorable people have engaged in because they love what they do and want to pass it on; others have used it as a way to build their egos and cheat people - are they all the same?

there is no respect, etc... so i have to wonder why i am expected to treat them with respect in return?

it's true, some folks on here do lash out, despite their supposed elevated status; at the same time, I don't think anyone on here that you find distasteful really cares whether or not you give them respect per se, one way or the other - it's a discussion board - no one is coming on her for validation about themselves, their career or their public standing - they just come here to BS, shoot the sh1t aout MA, act out a bit, the usual; this forum is a limited community, that fundamentally has little impact on anyone's life / livelihood; fundamentally, no one here really cares about anyone else in terms of respect, because at the end of the day, we all log off and go back to the important things in our lives, leaving the forum behind until the next time we want to blow off steam, chew the fat, mock each other out; none of it's real - so what is there to respect?

respect is a two way deal...

well, if one insists on that I suppose - but more often than not, you interject into threads where no one has been showing you disrespect, or even addressing comments to you, yet you weigh injective without restraint: your very first days here, before you had any interaction with most people here, you made light of the death of an off duty P.O., summarily judging him and rather callously stating he deserved what he got; now, again, I can appreciate that having had negative experiences w/LEO's in the past that you may not have a high regard for them; that's fine; and you might even take some pleasure in one of them being killed; whatever; but to come into a social environment voicing that opinion in the way you did, that was disrespectful, plain and simple; in fact, you seem to have a particular penchant for rationalizing "untimely" deaths as the result of someone engaging in an activity that you find distasteful (law enforcement, MMA); I mean, no one is asking for you to be moved or to even care at all about someone you didn't know, but to chalk their death up to just desserts for their chosen profession is just, well, unseemly, especially for someone who professes that he follows Nature and the Dao as his guide; so again, I don't fault your opinion - your range of experience will construct whatever opinion you have, and if that means you hate LEO's so be it; but the way you expressed it, well, you surely can't blame anyone on here for not showing you respect in return...

i am simply reflecting their persona back at them and it seems that most do not like the taste of their own medicine they like to freely dish out...

this entire perspective is based on you setting yourself up as some sort of arbiter of people's behavior - what you consider "reflecting back" may not appear as such, and in fact, doing so requires a level of skill and training that, quite frankly, you appear to lack; see, you are actively intending to reflect back, whereas the true mirror does not: it simply reflects, without judgement, without intention, without trying; in fact, the true mirror is, in a sense, not there when doing its "job"; whereas you are very much there - doing service by reflecting back means at the same time not being yourself, rather being like the taste of cool spring water; your taste is more like a caustic paint remover, flavoring every interaction so that the person tom whom you are ministering sees more of you in the reflection than they do of themselves...

just the other day i was asked by this very old man to tie his shoes for him in the supermarket because he couldn't bend over and do it for himself - i nearly had tears in my eyes when i put down my child in the meat department so i could bend my knee for him...

certainly commendable, but at the same time, you were just the latest person he had to ask to tie his shoes, so there was really nothing special about it for him...

i suppose i like to draw out the worst in people because in the end, they will ultimately stop and look at themselves somewhere down their own personal journey in this most wonderful life...

you realize that, this is nothing more than arrogant projection of your own internal desire onto everyone else, right? it fails to take into account the fact that perhaps it is not for every person to look at themselves in the way you seem to think that they should;

i am not looking for vaildation or acceptance, i know who i am, where i am going, and what my life purpose is...

that is a rare quality

people are in for a real eye opener soon and it irks me that most are so self-absorbed to notice the fruit of the tree that is nearly ripe for the picking.

the fact that it irks you is indicative of something...

sometimes i would like to smack everyone i meet if i knew it would wake them up out of their dream world, etc., i see wisdom and understanding that is freely available simply by watching nature... in this world there is pain, suffering, and violence because people have forgotten themselves...

I think you would agree that pain, suffering, violence - it's all part of nature, same as wisdom, understanding...just the part that most people have chosen to try to avoid...although often at the expense of another's comfort, true...

once we, as a collective species, wake up to our true purpose, we will once again realize that we are nothing more than spiritual beings having a human experience...

it's very nice, but I think that it's a fantasy; we might wish that there were some exalted higher state of being to which we are all moving towards collectively, but the fact is that what is here is what we see in front of us, and that the "true" purpose is simply to experience things such as they are; which certainly doesn't preclude acting towards each other in an honorable way, in a kind and compassionate way - but to do so honestly, out of a sense of the immediacy of that action, as opposed to the fulfillment of some projected species-based spiritual destiny; mankind has no future, mankind has no past, and the present is never really here either - if there is nothing past, present or future, what use talking about purpose?

[QUOTE=uki;951292]my purpose is to help nudge everyone along on their respective journey.
well, while you may have recognized a) the need for everyone to be nudged and b) that you have the ability to effectively nudge them, you may consider for a moment that no one has asked for you to do so; and quite frankly, w/out that critical ingredient, you're not going to find a receptive body to you ministrations; I mean, even the Buddha didn't start teaching until 3 AM, after most people had left, and only after he was asked 3x; which is to say that, he understood that you can lead a horse to water, etc.; my point is that, if indeed your desire is to teach, that is commendable, but you cannot impose this on anyone; surely, you realize this, yes?

you know, I enjoy your humor; to some extent, I concur with your polemic; I disagree with many of your stances on politics, society, spirituality, etc., yet at the same time I can appreciate your views on humanity's apparent headlong collision-course w/the limits of our environment's resources; you have a certain crazy wisdom, although at times it's just the first part that manifests without the second, suggesting that you may not be quite as impartial as you think that you are being;

anyway, you shall of course do as you shall do, and I don't judge it, simply making some observations and suggestions for you to take or discard as you see fit;

[Lama Pai Sifu]

i am not looking for vaildation or acceptance, i know who i am, where i am going, and what my life purpose is...

Riiiiight.

So says the guy who starts a thread to find out what everyone on the forum has to say about him.

Classic.

[Taryn P.]

all things considered, at this point, my question to you would be, if, as you have stated on at least 2 other threads, your intent on the forum is to socialize, how exactly you expect to do so when, by and large ,the opinions that you express are generally negative / inflammatory by nature and generally elicit negative responses towards you? certainly, no one denies that you absolutely have the right to express yourself any way that you please, and certainly if someone doesn't like what you say they can just ignore you, but to follow that to it's conclusion, it appears that you have been progressively alienating everyone on here - how does that achieve your stated goal of socialization, unless that was intended to be tongue in cheek?

(snip)

your expressed intention is to socialize, which, by definition, implies some desire to get along with others, and by necessity requires some sort of fundamental conformity to social norms and niceties; I mean, one cannot reasonably expect to make disparaging comments across the board and expect others to simply accept it unconditionally, right? I mean, if you are trying to point out inconsistencies in life, the absurdity of the world and all that, well, ok, we "get" it, I think, but at the same time, one can appreciate that "truth" but still engage in relatively civil discourse;
;

How much should one compromise one's true self in order to conform to what is expected of hir and get along in social situations?

Would you rather interact with someone who is polite and mild all the time to your face, but you realize that you have absolutely no idea who this person is and what s/he thinks behind that socially approved mask? Does this make you think that maybe THAT person doesn't respect you enough- or consider you worthy- to show you hir real face?

Would you rather have a friend who always responds to "Do I look fat in these pants?" with "You look great", or would you rather have one who will say "Those pants are not very flattering, the blue ones look better". If that second friend doesn't have the tactfulness to phrase it like that, and instead just says "Those pants make your butt look like two hippos fighting under a blanket with every step you take," is dealing with that lact of tact worth the honesty? Or would you prefer to go back to the friend who always says "You look great"? Is that friendship with the tactless person worth enough to you to say to hir, "Look, it hurts my feelings when you say things like X.... do you think you could express the same honesty by saying Y instead, just to humor me?" I wonder if s/he would think YOUR friendship was worth making that effort?

Is it more respectful to just give a person what s/he wants to hear, even when it's insincere- or is it more respectful to figure this person can handle the truth, and deserves the truth, and it might be valuable in some way to both parties to engage in a discussion on a point of disagreement?

What exactly do *YOU* want out of "socialization"? Do you want inane shallow niceties that leave you wondering what the other person *really* thinks, or do you want it raw, even if you might not like the taste much? Do you want to just play the expected game, or do you want to push people out of their comfort zone and have them push you out of yours?

[Scott R. Brown]

I like uki....as I said on another thread, he is a Loki! I don't mind if it is intentional or incidental. The world needs Loki's as much as it needs other types of personalities.

If we were all alike all we would be doing is sitting around agreeing with each other all the time. While that is a nice thing, Tao includes conflict, so we need the pot stirrers too!

He is just another pot stirrer, and there are a lot of pot stirrers here. That is part of what is fun about a BB!

As Lincoln said,

"You can annoy some of the people all of the time, you can annoy all of the people some of the time, but you can't annoy all of the people all of the time!"

....or something like that!

[Scott R. Brown]

Would you rather have a friend who always responds to "Do I look fat in these pants?" with "You look great", or would you rather have one who will say "Those pants are not very flattering, the blue ones look better". If that second friend doesn't have the tactfulness to phrase it like that, and instead just says "Those pants make your butt look like two hippos fighting under a blanket with every step you take," is dealing with that lact of tact worth the honesty? Or would you prefer to go back to the friend who always says "You look great"?

DANGER! DANGER! DANGER Will Robinson!

There is a WOMAN on the board!! There is a WOMAN on the board!!!

LOL...no man would EVER ask another man, "DO I LOOK FAT IN THESE PANTS!"....LOL!

[uki]

So says the guy who starts a thread to find out what everyone on the forum has to say about him.

it seems my discernment of you is much correct... but... i already know what people on here feel about me... don't you like to fish? here fishy fishy.

i believe taryn p. has summarized my response to taai ggihk yahn, but i will add for her better understanding of the matter, that i personally and unflinchingly drove up to meet taai gihk yahn, sifu lame pai, gene ching, and the mighty dale dugas in june... if i were anything the sort of a cowardly mouthboxer i don't believe i would've done that, ESPECIALLY after my original comments about that poor sorry of sod police officer who got killed while moonlighting as a macho-man bouncer(he truly got a lethal dose of his own medicine) which i might add, had enraged dale dugas immensely to the point that i began poking fun at him for quite awhile on the boards, yet now i would say that we are friends... amazing if you asked me, because during the original flame war we had across the boards, i had posted numerous times that dale was my friend - he simply didn't realize it yet.

LOL... thanks for your honesty people... it's not for my amusement(i have plenty of that already), but for everyone elses.

[uki]

LOL...no man would EVER as another man, "DO I LOOK FAT IN THESE PANTS!"....LOL!

ummmm... my brother is nortorious for it... i have yet to meet another fairy-a$$ as much as he is.

[Scott R. Brown]

ummmm... my brother is nortorious for it... i have yet to meet another fairy-a$$ as much as he is.

LOL!! I should have said, No REAL man!!

[uki]

LOL!! I should have said, No REAL man!!

yes you should have, but will tell you, my brother has balls of steel... he travelled to africa only to bunjee jump off of victoria falls... recently he was in india for three weeks... sometimes i envy him.

[mickey]

Greetings,

This is really fantastic.

uki has created his own Lei Tai platform and you guys fell for it.

Way to go, uki!


mickey

[lkfmdc]

"blah blah blah I don't care what you think blah blah blah show you the truth blah blah blah here to blah blah blah"

My initial reaction to UKI was he was yet another troll. I put him on IGNORE. Sadly, I took Chris' advice and took him off ignore because for some STRANGE reason Chris thought he was "interesting"

Clearly, he is an asshat without an original idea in his head and nothing to contribute here. So, after giving a historic TWO chances, I am just putting him back on IGNORE

[Scott R. Brown]

yes you should have, but will tell you, my brother has balls of steel... he travelled to africa only to bunjee jump off of victoria falls... recently he was in india for three weeks... sometimes i envy him.

Okay, Okay! There is an exception to every rule!

Why does he care if his ass is too big then?

Clearly, he is an asshat without an original idea in his head and nothing to contribute here. So, after giving a historic TWO chances, I am just putting him back on IGNORE

I have found there is rarely anything new posted on this forum and not much that anyone contributes is so important we couldn't live without it.

I like his style. It is similar to yours only not as harsh!

[taai gihk yahn]

wow Tar - seems like this might be sort of a hot-bottom issue for you, based on the perceived emphatic tone; but maybe I'm wrong; whatever, but I'll "bite"

How much should one compromise one's true self in order to conform to what is expected of hir and get along in social situations?

good question - I think it's highly individualized, the answer to being "it depends"; I am sure we can all think of many example when one would be wise to "go along" and other where one can simple "be";

Would you rather interact with someone who is polite and mild all the time to your face, but you realize that you have absolutely no idea who this person is and what s/he thinks behind that socially approved mask? Does this make you think that maybe THAT person doesn't respect you enough- or consider you worthy- to show you hir real face?

well, first off, this is why I have spent a lot of time learning how to read people despite their masks: lots of way to do that: the eyes, the breathe, the stance, the gait, the sitting posture, the hands, the handshake (one of the most revealing thing of all - people can give away their entire life without realizing it!)[/QUOTE]
beyond that, in terms of my personal preference, I really don't care - considering that 99.99% of the people out there aren't interested in me per se, that they are really just looking for validation of their own internal agenda, any "respect" that I am given is pretty much in context of that agenda; that, and most peole don't even know what their own "true face" is anyway, so their ability to consciously show it is limited (doesn't mean I can't see it, though)

Would you rather have a friend who always responds to "Do I look fat in these pants?" with "You look great", or would you rather have one who will say "Those pants are not very flattering, the blue ones look better". If that second friend doesn't have the tactfulness to phrase it like that, and instead just says "Those pants make your butt look like two hippos fighting under a blanket with every step you take," is dealing with that lact of tact worth the honesty? Or would you prefer to go back to the friend who always says "You look great"? Is that friendship with the tactless person worth enough to you to say to hir, "Look, it hurts my feelings when you say things like X.... do you think you could express the same honesty by saying Y instead, just to humor me?" I wonder if s/he would think YOUR friendship was worth making that effort?

you know, I know about 3 or 4 people who that if I ask their opinion, I know I will get a 100% honest answer; that's more than enough, AFAIC;

Is it more respectful to just give a person what s/he wants to hear, even when it's insincere- or is it more respectful to figure this person can handle the truth, and deserves the truth, and it might be valuable in some way to both parties to engage in a discussion on a point of disagreement?

it's another great question - being in healthcare, it's one I grapple with every day - just what exactly should I "reveal" and how much of it? as an analogy, what I've found is that, for example, people with fibromyalgia - if I treat them too effectively, they get upset - meaning that i they walk out of the office completely pain-free, then I know the next time they come back, it's going to be a nightmare for everyone, LOL; to me, taking their pain away is like telling them the truth - meaning that without the pain they come in with, they are less able to ignore those other "truths" that almost invariably are what drive their symptoms; so similarly, I think that it's always a balance when deciding what to disclose;

What exactly do *YOU* want out of "socialization"? Do you want inane shallow niceties that leave you wondering what the other person *really* thinks, or do you want it raw, even if you might not like the taste much? Do you want to just play the expected game, or do you want to push people out of their comfort zone and have them push you out of yours?

LOL, I might ask the same to you; but anyway I would say that, if one is sensitive, there is always the possibility of both occurring simultaneously; by way of example, I cite my "best friend" - he used to challenge himself by going into completely alien social situations by himself, and see if he could manage to insert himself into a given group to the point where he would be accepted - not based on the desire to be liked, but simply to see if he could put his finger on the pulse of the moment and synchronize with it; as such this guy is a master of "inane" social interaction; at the same time, I have seen him turn around to a group of beer-swilling jocks at a local dive, and start engaging them about notions of consciousness, enlightenment, spirituality - things that in a million years they would never think to discuss amongst themselves; anyway, my point is that, it's not really a question of what one "wants", per se - it's about living at a level of awareness where one meets the demands of a given situation, and then moves from there depending on circumstances both internal and external;

[Scott R. Brown]

Hi Chris,

I have a few questions for you:

1) I am interested in your assessment of people's handshakes. Would you please elaborate on your classification of handshakes and what they mean to you?

2) What is "One's True Face" and how do you personally determine the "True Face" that is behind another person's mask? How can you be sure it isn't something else you have projected onto the other person?

3) Do you use any specific means to gently prod your patients into introspecting into how their mental condition affects the physical manifestation of their symptoms?

[taai gihk yahn]

I like uki...

all in all, I like Uki as well - not that he cares, not that it matters, really;

.as I said on another thread, he is a Loki!

true, he would be the one old crone not to shed a tear for Balder...

I don't mind if it is intentional or incidental.

well, this is sort of the point of what I have been getting at: this is where we might tease things apart a bit (for no other reason than, well, we have been given an opportunity to do so - I mean, Uki, a man of many spikes, set up this thread and invited us to dance, so I am just taking his invitation as an opportunity to wax analytic, really - maybe he'll get something out of it, maybe he won't - whatever; I'm just being selfish here, it gives me a chance to "test my claws" as it were, perhaps as practice for other folks I might meet of similar skein in my day-to-day life); what it comes down to is this: if he is just acting out of "incidental", then it would seem to follow that he would do so out of his own self-nature, not out of his being irked by what he perceives as hypocritic, noses-in-the-air attitude of some on the board (and in life); it seems, rather, that he has an anti-elitist agenda; which is fine, of course, as it's all relative in that regard; OTOH, if he is intentionally going after a certain type, that's fine too - but that's not based on anything out of regard to acting as a "mirror" to others; thirdly, he could be acting out of BOTH of those, as you say - which, in a way, makes the most sense: that at times he is intentional, at times he is incidental; what it comes down to is, what is his own level of self-perception? what truly informs his polemic? we can all hazard guesses about it, we can routinely condemn him, we can delight in his antics; is he an asz-hole? sure, just like we all are at times; does he have insight to "the truth" that others may not have? sure, but where does that leave him at the end of the day, if he is standing in an empty room talking to nobody? if he alienates all but those who are already able to appreciate his type of sensibility, then he's just relating to those who are already willing to engage with his sort before he came along anyway; which points to the reality, that at bottom, most of us aren't interested in having our minds changed, our perceptions altered - we just want, if you will allow, another "chain of concepts"; so, is Uki the sort who will enable that, or provide the opportunity for one to break free? and if he does enable breaking free, is it by incident or by intent? his giving other a "taste of their own medicine" suggests intent - if so, if it is his intent to "teach", then that reveals much about him and methods, as much as if it's just incidental that he behaves the way he does (I had once stated that he was the Til Eulenspiegel of the KFMF)

The world needs Loki's as much as it needs other types of personalities.

absolutely - it's the reason why the villains in opera are always the bass-baritones and get much better arias than the whiney tenors!
of course, we all know what happened to Loki at the end...

If we were all alike all we would be doing is sitting around agreeing with each other all the time. While that is a nice thing, Tao includes conflict, so we need the pot stirrers too!

well, then, fu(k you, Scot_

He is just another pot stirrer, and there are a lot of pot stirrers here. That is part of what is fun about a BB!

of course! I had a ball of late flaming away at the Shaolin Doh! and BFP folks for a few days (until the Recess Supervisor came along and told us to stop );

As Lincoln said,

"You can annoy some of the people all of the time, you can annoy all of the people some of the time, but you can't annoy all of the people all of the time!"

....or something like that!

I think Uki is on a mission to disprove that statement!

DANGER! DANGER! DANGER Will Robinson!

There is a WOMAN on the board!! There is a WOMAN on the board!!!
LOL...no man would EVER ask another man, "DO I LOOK FAT IN THESE PANTS!"....LOL!

actually, the real danger for any man would be to even consider answering that question in any way, be it true or not, because there is no right answer! (even the fact that you might pause to consider the answer is grounds for instant termination!) it's like the Kobayashi Maroo scenario in Start Trek - there is no way to survive without hacking into the program ahead of time! this is the time to cash in on all of the feigned deafness that you have been cultivating!

i believe taryn p. has summarized my response to taai ggihk yahn, but i will add for her better understanding of the matter, that i personally and unflinchingly drove up to meet taai gihk yahn, sifu lame pai, gene ching, and the mighty dale dugas in june... if i were anything the sort of a cowardly mouthboxer i don't believe i would've done that,

certainly, no one suggests cowardice on your part - why would that be necessary to mention? anyway, it's not a question of response - my musings really aren't predicated on a response per se, they are not questions to be answered, per se; you asked for "honesty", I have responded as suited my mood at the moment; if my ramblings are of some use to you, take them to heart; if they are not, discard them at once!

iESPECIALLY after my original comments about that poor sorry of sod police officer who got killed while moonlighting as a macho-man bouncer(he truly got a lethal dose of his own medicine) which i might add, had enraged dale dugas immensely to the point that i began poking fun at him for quite awhile on the boards, yet now i would say that we are friends... amazing if you asked me, because during the original flame war we had across the boards, i had posted numerous times that dale was my friend - he simply didn't realize it yet.

he may still not realize it even now...

iLOL... thanks for your honesty people... it's not for my amusement(i have plenty of that already), but for everyone elses.

exactly