why do wing chun practitioners think wing chun is the end all be all!!!

[Violent Designs]

The Northern sh1t in that movie looked 1200 times better.

[TenTigers]

DougMaverick-could you go into detail on what you feel are the limitations of WC? I am also npot trying to start a flame war, and if you prefer, you can pm me instead. I'm just curious.

[bawang]

i thikn weng chun is a decent style, but i have no idea why the hell its so dam popular, its average shouthern short fist

[Shaolinlueb]

its funny doug that we were talking about this the other day.

[Lee Chiang Po]

The human body is not always perfect in construction. Mine certainly isn't, and that probably goes for the majority of people. For this reason you will find people that excell in certain physical sports. Others might be poor at the same sport because they cannot perform the same. This is why Wing Chun is so popular. It can be quickly learned by just about anyone. And it will remain effective for the majority of one's life as they need not be of great physical prowess, which only lasts for a short time in one's life. I have seen some beautiful styles of gung fu. Wishing that I could be so good. But the fact is that I can not kick high and can not do all the fancy moves that seem to be the rage today. Looks seems to be everything.
Wing chun is not real easy, but if one is quick enough to realize and understand the concepts he or she can move right along quickly. And do not be fooled in believing WC strikes do not have power. WC only has a small number of hand and kick techniques compared to other forms of gung fu, and all of them are based scientifically. It is easier to learn a few moves to perfection than to learn a bunch of moves partially. And then you can move on to different variations of each of the techniques. I hold black belts in Jap jujitsu, but only have about 50 or 60 basic techniques, and of each of these techniques I will have upward of 10 or 12 variations. This gives me upward of around 600 or more techniques at my disposal. Even at that, I will always tend to use a certain few of these techniques when it becomes necessary. I believe this is probably true of most practitioners of fighting styles.
Competing calls for great form and moves, but most times it is not practical stuff that can win compititions. Stuff that looks good might not always be practical in a life or death situation. WC has plenty of on the ground fighting but it seems that most people never get that far into it, so have the impression that it is lacking in that area. I started my training in WC 53 years ago, and I still don't feel like I can clean out a room full of bikers. I was a printer by trade for most of my adult life, but I also kept a second job of bouncing or security. I have had to deal with a lot of guys, some trained in some form of martial art of some sort, but most just fist fighters and grapplers. The only fighting style I never did come up on was WC. I think it would have scared me. I have always been good on the ground, and I am guessing it might be a combination of both my skills, but I use my WC on the ground to good effect. So it is there. I don't think it is better, but it can be all you need. It is all in the way you look at it. What you are willing to put into it I guess. But I suppose that goes for all the other styles as well.

[notanexit]

wing chun only works when you go FOOM FOOM FOOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSAsxPEP7Tk

It also works if someone attacks you half assed.You see that lame takedown attempt?It reminded me of my former school.Someone gives you a half assed attack,then you counter it and look cool.Then you test and you walk around thinking you can fight.

I'm a CLF practitioner, so naturally I don't think wing chun is the end all be all. However, based on Donnie Yen's new Ip Man film, it can certainly look pretty frickin' bad ass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkHmYJmfuWg

Movies can make any art look good.But after I looked at that clip,I watched a wc vs bjj clip.That'll bring you back to reality.

[bawang]

i havent seen any wng chun people in real life use any sort of footwork, someone plz explain to me? is it they just no good?
i know some south style "every step grows root" and many south styles are boat style, but in traditional term, how weng chun guy can beat northern kung fu with range 5 to 10 meters??

also i never heard of weng chun being rebel style? in 15 year long taiping rebellion led by southern hakka, they used northern kung fu like tanglang, mizong, chuojiao, chai li fut?

i read weng chun forums and they were arguing how to defend a hook punch, lol

[golden arhat]

anyway, wing chun isnt the end all and be all personally i think MMA is because its constantly evolving and is a mix of everything else so by definition if you mix ALL martial arts then its is the end ALL and be ALL
but then most martial arts are MMA they had to come from somewhere


i think that most martial arts have value but are rarely trained well enough or hard enough to make them work and have become trivialised and over complicated and ritualised

a punch is a punch weitehr its hung gar or whatever you just need to know how you can make it work.
that and do sparring, alot of it, and ground work that always helps

spar good, wrestle good, and train good and you will be good regardless of your style.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Actually, I don't know of any decent WC practioners that think that WC is the "end all" of the MA.
They all know they strengths and limitations of their art.

[Shaolinlueb]

well according to one WC practitioner we are all just glorified kick boxers, so what do we know about wing chun. heck it has had ground fighting in it for years and no one knew. not even the guy who started up the wing chun museum.

[sanjuro_ronin]

well according to one WC practitioner we are all just glorified kick boxers, so what do we know about wing chun. heck it has had ground fighting in it for years and no one knew. not even the guy who started up the wing chun museum.

Those wacky cross training knuckle heads !

[lianweizhi]

Wow, got a lot of flak for putting up a clip of a movie that I would have thought kung fu practitioners would have appreciated... in my opinion Ip Man is the best kung fu movie to come out in terms of the choreography since Jet Li's Fist of Legend. I was just trying to help it get a little exposure out in the West.

I completely understand that movies can make any art look good... as I mentioned, I'm no wing chun lover, but every art has its strengths and weaknesses. As a martial arts practitioner and enthusiast, I appreciate the differences and nuances of all martial arts, be it choy lay fut, bak sil lum, wing chun, or MMA.

With my limited ring and contact experience, I've come to the same conclusion many of you have come to - that it's not as much the style as it is the practitioner. I put in 4-5 hours a week of martial arts training (including timing drills, light sparring, body contitioning, and, yes, form practice) and another 4 hours a week strength and conditioning training, which might not seem like a lot, but it is a challenge to coordinate my engineering job, 7-9 credit hours of MBA courses, and any semblance of a life on top of that. With that level of training sustained over the last 10 years, I've been able to decimate kickboxers, grapplers, and kung fu practitioners, but have also had my butt kicked. The common denominator was literally how much better or worse shape I was in and how much more or less fighting experience I had than the other guy. That's the real end all be all.

[lkfmdc]

pffiiffffffff.....

you guys can't ground fight because you've never learned the REAL chin-na

[sanjuro_ronin]

The common denominator was literally how much better or worse shape I was in and how much more or less fighting experience I had than the other guy. That's the real end all be all.

that's just crazy talk !

[lkfmdc]

heh heh I just found this!