Last edited by HardWork8; 10-15-2008 at 12:04 AM.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegFuKZAyUc&NR=1
At least through the first two minutes this looked like a lot of underfed kids flailing at each other. I like the aggression, but I reckon the (actual) experienced WC guys wouldn't like that to stand as the paragon of skill in their art. I liked the part where one kid started kicking away when the other one reached out to touch gloves!
And some may hate to hear it but if any of those kids had the least idea about takedowns they would have had an enormous advantage over the other flailers.
GNP seemed a popular concept at least. Some additional training would help them get there with more control (to say the least).
The poor man must hate himself. It is amazing how unkokusai keeps going on and on insulting himself in that manner.
Last edited by HardWork8; 10-15-2008 at 02:06 AM.
So I guess trying to discuss the topic is out of the question then?
Christ! first unkokusai was insulting himself and now he is arguing with himself.
You fail again, idiot.
For the record, I have actually tried to discuss the topic. If HW8 ever gets tired of the third-grade 'humor' I'd like to try to discuss the topic again. But there doesn't look to be much hope of that...
Gah! It's hard work wading through this thread. Thanks to cjurakpt and Mr. Punch for maintaining a positive and informative dialogue throughout.
Thanks for the detailed explanations. They do largely go over my head I must admit but I like to see that the traditional Chinese model can be supported by modern studies of physiology and anatomy.
Mr. Punch, yes the other dantien are known by different names. Tanzhong for the one just above the sternum (midpoint between nipp1es) and the Renzhong point between the nose and upper lip. Those are the only ones I know other than the one below the navel.
I'm sure Mr Jurak can shed some light on the subject; I concur that he is a good writer.
Thanks. I personally believe (and know) that there is much more to internal training then just structure. However, I appreciate that an important part of the internals is structure.
You could have taken those words out of my mouth.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
Those words too.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
Well if you lack the knowledge or if you have different references to me you might have thought that my insistance of what I knew to be right as pompous.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
Assumptions are made in forums such as this all the time based on what we understand of things that are posted.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
Hung Gar, CLF, White Eyebrow all have internals, if anyone tells you otherwise then they don't know what they are talking about.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
Look, I know that you don't know me from Adam but take my word for it or better, look into it yourself believe me that if you search for the answer (not in these forums for gods sake) you will see that I am right.
It is a cultural thing. The balance, the Yin and Yang. Without one the other is meaningless. You need both external and internal in Chinese Kung fu, not necessarily in the same proportions but you need them both. That is how they were designed. I'll try and find more proof for you now that I suspect that you are genuinely interested.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
So does my Wing Chun and my current Kung Fu (none-Wing Chun) teacher here in London. Actually he warns most newbies that the style is boring on the first day. But then neither one of my sifus in it for the money.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
I appreciate forward intent of Wing Chun. However, when training "deep" breathing one must put intention in the dantien specially during special exercises. However, during normal exercise routines the breathing is still from the dantien but does not monopolise the intention.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
To me the emptiness refers to the no mind concept - just to "be".
But again there the fact that the internals are present in all styles. Then there is the book, which is called "How to develop chi power" by William Cheung. Here is a link to a William Cheung Chi kung Seminar (1999):Originally Posted by Mr Punch
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cNcKSunk4nA
Here is another clip of another Chinese sifu talking about chi kung and its relevance to Siu Lim Tao.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFBHp9oB7g
Then we also have sifu Ali Rahim who is from a Yip Man lineage who also practices the internals.
Chest breathing is just my description of upper body breathing as opposed to lower body breathing (dantien).Originally Posted by Mr Punch
But their breathing cannot be classified as dantien, except for that of karate, of course.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
You are welcome and believe me that these type of explanations are difficult in one's first language as well, LOL.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
You are absolutely right. Maybe I did not explain correctly but the intention in the dantien is during chi kung exercises during fighting training the same area is used but of course the primary intention is on striking and defending. As I said before, in time the dantien breathing should become a normal occurance during daily life.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
[QUOTE=Mr Punch)2) 'Not tension' - sometimes, for some strike patterns, tension in the abdomen is a good thing.[/quote]
As I stated in our case the tension is subtle and originates at the moment of exhalation and the resultant expansion of the lower stomach and kidney area.
I suppose you could call it that or maybe (and I am not too sure about this) I breath "lower" than you.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
Point taken but let's just put it this way, when my WC sifu hit me using the same breathing mechanism I felt my "chi" escaping out of my ears.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
It is a very internal concept. It is very difficult to explain but let me give you an example. Two punches delivered the same way and at the same target, that look to an observer as the same technique, will have different effects on the receiver if one of the strikes is from a "Dragon" kung fu stylist and the other from a Choy Li Fat stylist. The difference is the manner of breathing.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
The Dragon punch will penetrate deeper than the Choy li fat one.
If this sounds strange to you the fair enough, but if you are really interested then you can look into it yourself.
Fair enough.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
The energy training is supposed to also create softness and a state of relaxedness that is above what the average MA-ist sees as normal. This softness is externally projected as well, but it is an internal concept.Originally Posted by Mr Punch
From my training and research I have seen the TCMA belief that softness beats hardness. Of course, I am not talking about floppiness it is a kind of heavy softness. Again you can look this up. Once you research this area of TCMA then you will see the validity of the concepts