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    WSJ review

    * DECEMBER 24, 2009
    He's Not Your Father's Sherlock Holmes
    By JOE MORGENSTERN

    "You and I," the villain of "Sherlock Holmes" tells the detective, "are bound on a journey that will twist the very fabric of nature." His understatement is of a piece with the rest of Guy Ritchie's film, which twists, stretches, knots, tangles, distorts, bleaches, smudges and sometimes tears the very fabric of Arthur Conan Doyle's Victorian canvas. The Holmes of this action adventure, played by Robert Downey Jr., is a master of the martial arts and perfectly capable of brutal behavior when it's required of him by the brutishness of a black-and-brown London that recalls "The Elephant Man." The movie as a whole is clever, and conspicuously overwrought. But Mr. Downey's performance is elegantly wrought; he's as quick-witted as his legendary character, and blithely funny in the lovers' spats—all right, the mystery-lovers' spats—that Holmes keeps having with Jude Law's witty Dr. Watson.

    The director made his name with contemporary comedies about whimsical, casually violent thugs, so it's no surprise that he pays more attention to the underworld of Holmes's time than to the milieu of the haughty hero. He and his writers—four of them get credit for the script—have closed the gap between hunter and prey. This Holmes has been dehaughtified, to say the least. He's unkempt, even scruffy, and a pack rat who looks a little cracked. Still, his intelligence is intact. It's on display most vividly in a restaurant scene, when Holmes makes a series of ruthlessly accurate deductions about Watson's lovely fiancée—she's played by Kelly Reilly—and in several quick-cut sequences that deconstruct the detective's mental processes.

    The villain, Blackwood, is played by Mark Strong, the excellent actor who played a Jordanian security chief in "Body of Lies." While he's impressive here, the fruits of his evil genius are less so. The four writers in question have concocted a plot that promises to be diabolical (a satanic rite, for openers, with a begowned beauty about to be tortured), but grows silly in inverse proportion to its grandiosity (a doomsday machine designed to do in the House of Lords), then finally performs a peculiar act of self-deflation by revealing that Blackwood's seeming magic was only a succession of conjuring tricks. And it's hard to follow, let alone care about, the comings of goings of Irene Adler (Rachel McAdams), a criminal who has bested Sherlock Holmes in the past, but is worsted by the script's convolutions.

    Doyle had ambivalent feelings about his Sherlock Holmes stories and books; they were spectacularly successful, but not the kind of art he aspired to. Ambivalence is appropriate here too, not because Mr. Ritchie has violated a venerable literary icon by turning him into an action hero—kids will probably buy into the notion, and what's the harm?—but because the movie's kung fu conniptions are far more mundane than the settings in which they play out. The truly distinctive physicality comes less from the familiar fight sequences than from Sarah Greenwood's set design and Philippe Rousselot's cinematography, complemented by computer-generated visions of a Victorian London simultaneously moldering and exploding with new construction. And even though Mr. Downey has emerged from "Iron Man" as a full-fledged action hero, it's great fun to watch him do the detective work he always does, finding laughs and bright surprises in every scene.
    This article below is funnier after you see the film.
    Robert Downey Jr hints Sherlock Holmes was gay
    Actor Robert Downey Jr is said to have unnerved studio bosses by hinting that the characters of Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson in his new film are meant to be gay.
    By Nick Allen in Los Angeles
    Published: 5:08PM GMT 23 Dec 2009

    Downey Jr stars as the title character in Sherlock Holmes, which is released over Christmas, alongside Jude Law as Dr Watson.

    Appearing on the Late Show with David Letterman he was asked whether the two characters had a "different level of relationship" beyond solving crimes, and replied: "You mean that they were ****s? That is what you're saying?"

    The actor also suggested that Dr Watson's fiancée could be a cover for the relationship between the two male characters, and introduced a clip of Holmes wrestling by inviting the audience to decide if he was a "butch ****sexual".

    However, his jokes are said to have caused unease among studio executives who have been marketing the film as an action-packed adventure.

    "Robert can't stop talking about the world's most famous 'bromance' and it's making studio publicists very nervous," one Hollywood insider said. They added that executives did not want the film to become "Brokeback Mountain 2", referring to the Oscar-winning movie about two gay cowboys.

    Downey Jr has dropped a series of other hints about the subtext of the Guy Ritchie-directed film, previously describing the lead characters as "two men who happen to be room-mates, wrestle a lot and share a bed".

    He added: "I had an idea of how he should be represented and from what I understand it's not quite how he's been previously represented."

    However, according to Sherlock Holmes Journal editor Roger Johnson, in Arthur Conan Doyle's original stories the Victorian detective is "essentially asexual with no erotic interest in women or men." He says Watson was "something of a ladies' man but a faithful husband to his wife".
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    Nice to see this might start some sort of revitalization...

    So has anyone here actually done any bartitsu?
    Dec-27-2009 22:48
    Sherlock Holmes' Martial Art Comes To Pacific Northwest
    Salem-News.com

    The name “Bartitsu” might well have been completely forgotten if not for a chance mention by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in one of his Sherlock Holmes mystery stories. In the Adventure of the Empty House (1903), Courtesy: baritsu.org

    (PORTLAND, Ore.) - Having recently been given terrific behind the scenes looks at the new Sherlock Holmes film staring Robert Downey Jr. as Sherlock Holmes and Jude Law as Dr. Watson we have been shown that the film has chosen to bring a greater emphasis to Mr. Holmes' martial arts abilities.

    The movie, in fact, seems to be bringing a greater emphasis to action than past portrayals of the great detective. This decision has come under fire by Sherlock Holmes purists, however the decision has basis in the novels themselves.

    The film's fight choreographer Richard Ryan worked closely with the actors to recreate the martial arts system for film. “The physicality, the bare-knuckle fighting, the martial arts are all hinted at in the books,” says Law who delved deep into Doyle’s books in preparation for his role. Sherlock Holmes is portrayed as a man accomplished in Pugilism, grappling and Cane Fighting, all things combined in a historical martial art known as Bartitsu.

    Bartitsu might have been forgotten along with it's creator, if it hadn't been mentioned as the martial art of that great Detective, Sherlock Holmes. In fact, the great detective was noted to be quite an excellent 'single-stick fighter'.

    “Doyle called it baritsu in the novels, which is tied to a 19th-century hybrid of jujitsu that is actually called Bartitsu, created by Edward William Barton-Wright,” Downey explains. In the novels, Sherlock Holmes used his knowledge of Bartitsu to fight against his adversary, the nefarious Professor Moriarity at Reichenbach Falls.

    The real martial art of Bartitsu was the brainchild of Edward Barton-Wright, an English engineer who, while in Japan, was taken with a demonstration of JuiJitsu. Barton-Wright returned to England and set about making himself a public expert on matters of self-defense for the urban upper classes.

    Barton-Wright's earliest public demonstrations and publications displayed simple jujitsu skills, but soon he expanded his system. Adding pugilism, savate (French kickboxing), canne de combat, and a smattering of Western wrestling styles to the Eastern arts, Barton-Wright unveiled bartitsu to the world in 1898.

    Bartitsu was one of the earliest attempts at mixing eastern and western martial arts. The system was billed as the gentleman’s art of self defense and prominently featured the use of the cane or umbrella as a weapon. Barton-Wright recognized that fights have various ranges. The cane, which no gentleman ever went into the streets without, extends one's reach and lets a fellow defeat an opponent without dirtying his hands.

    At closer range the hands and feet come into play utilizing Savate and Pugilism. Closer still Jujitsu and wrestling are employed. Clubs sprang up around Europe and the system was studied by men and women alike. In fact the system was practiced as part of the training of the English women’s suffrage movement as a means of protecting themselves.

    Tony Wolf is a New Zealand martial artist and fight choreographer most recently known for his work on ’Lord of The Rings’. Mr. Wolf has recently become a figure in the revival of the study of the art, publishing several books on the subject.

    He explains, "The perception at the time was that members of the educated classes were at increasing risk from street gangsters…Barton-Wright also stressed that skill at Bartitsu would be useful when traveling overseas, to countries where one 'could not expect fair play.'”

    Tony Wolf will be making a tour of the Pacific North West in March of 2010 to teach a series of Bartitsu seminars. He will be teaching in Seattle hosted by author and martial artist Neal Stephenson the weekend of March 6th and 7th. He will then be teaching at the Northwest Academy of Arms run by Maestro Sean Hayes in Eugene Oregon the weekend of March 13th and 14th.

    Finally Mr. Wolf will be teaching at a seminar hosted by the Portland areas historic fencing school Academia Duellatoria run by instructors Jeff Richardson and Matthew Howden on the weekend of March 20th and 21st.

    For more information about Bartitsu check out the Bartitsu Society at bartitsu.org/ For more information on the upcoming seminars check out the websites of the hosting schools at duellatoria.com/ and northwestacademyofarms.com/
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    No, but these guys seem to be having fun...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGiTAtJI_uU
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    I liked it. I also like the British series, and the Basil Rathbone ones, as well as a smattering of others.

    In fairness, the Basil Rathbone ones are good, but have their own Hollywood effect: I may be showing how long it's been since I read them(childhood), but I thought that those movies were the source of the "incompetent Watson for comic effect", and the only mention of Holme's cocaine use was cut out of the last one they made. They are a good example of what Hollywood does to books.

    The British series is probably overall the best. There was also a Hound of the Baskervilles with Peter Cushing as Holmes that I enjoy.

    The movie had several homages: the scene where he's testing the sounds from his violin on the behavior in flies, and the scene where he's shooting the walls of his room come to mind.

    And old boxing is closer to Wing Chun than modern boxing, so I had no real problem with it's use, especially since no normal viewer was gonna cry about the difference.:

    Anyway, I liked it. There have been worse versions made, and the Nigel Bruce Watson, even though I like him, is probably the closest thing to a travesty done to the original characters.

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    my sister saw it. she said it was good. i want to see it because i am a guy Ritchie fan.
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    It's great to see the Holmes movie and the Bartitsu Society's work acknowledged on this, one of my favorite sites.
    Thanks, fellas!

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    just watched this movie it was freaking awesome...only thing i hated in all the reviews was the constant reference of "**** erotic undertones" when i watched they just seemed like co-dependant brothers..which goes into the argument ive been saying for years, people see what they want to see, if your looking for gay undertones you'll find it . the action scenes were great, i looked up that baritsu online and found some interesting stuff, but the action in the movie was more wing chun mixed with a bit of jujitsu (guy Richie is an exponent of bjj, and RDJ wing chun) but i like how they blended it with old style boxing. good stuff.. i cant wait to see the sequals. i remember there was a rumor that they shot addition footage with brad pitt as pro. moriarty that rumors was untrue...but it would be freaking cool to have him as the dastardly professor in a sequel.

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    saw it sat. and it was good. I like 'period' pieces though. The settings were well done for that time frame in Britain. Has dark overtones and gritty feeling which i enjoyed.

    As for the fights, i'll have to agree with the above poster that most of it was WC. The fight at the beginning of the movie was a lot of WC and boxing mixture. I enjoyed watching the redirect slaps he employed when fighting the big guy.
    Richie does some nice thought out fighting with holmes. (holmes see's the fight happening before it happens.)

    overall go see it, it's worth your time i think.
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    i had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.
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    Holmes Vision

    Holmes Vision is what made the choreography work for me. It was very Dark Knight (the comic, not the film).
    Robert Downey Jr. thinks there's no role like Holmes
    December 26, 2009
    BY CINDY PEARLMAN Sun-Times Columnist

    LONDON — This is not a case of no shtick, Sherlock.

    Robert Downey Jr., the latest actor to deduce the role of Sherlock Holmes, is riffing next to his Watson. “It’s true that Jude Law and I have magnificent chemistry together. Our next stop after this movie is romantic comedies.”

    Downey relaxes in a giant stone room at Freemason Hall in London on a trademark rainy gray day. In a black suit with his dark hair spiked everywhere, Downey mentions that he had to fight a bit to play the most frequently portrayed character in film history. According to Guinness World Records, at least 75 actors have been Sherlock.

    “At one point, there was some talk that I was too old to play the role,” says the 44-year-old. “Then I faxed everyone the grosses for ‘Iron Man’ and suddenly I wasn’t too old anymore. It’s amazing how things work in Hollywood!”

    It was more than elementary that he could run around jolly old Victorian London as a martial-arts Sherlock Holmes who must fight the sinister Lord Blackwood (Mark Strong), a man who claims he has special powers that he will use to bring down Parliament. At Sherlock’s side is his trusty friend Watson (Law), reminding everyone, “I am a doctor.”

    He’s also a great partner, which is at the heart of this film. “Jude and I know how to yin and yang,” says Downey. “It just felt natural. We are like an eccentric married couple now.”

    Downey says he read Arthur Conan Doyle’s famed detective novels as a boy and was always intrigued. “I loved that Sherlock was not only a character of a specific period, but he was flawed in a way that anyone could identify with during any time,” Downey says. “He’s rather selfish and arrogant. He even suffers from depression.

    “He’s an intriguing man.”

    His take on the film was quite specific and avoided the Sherlock cliches. “My take is what the puritans would expect, if the puritans know what I’m talking about,” he says.

    “Several of the most surprising things right off the bat are that oft- associated props have never appeared in the novels or the short stories,” says this Sherlock scholar.

    “He never wore a cap except maybe once for a minute, but even then it was described differently,” Downey says. “Even the long pipe wasn’t in the books.” (Sherlock also never said, “It’s elementary, my dear Watson” in the books, but that device is used on screen).

    His Sherlock is also a bare-fisted brawler who uses martial arts moves to stun his enemies. “I’ve been studying martial arts for the past six years and love bare- knuckle boxing,” Downey says. “This was just a choreographed version of what I know how to do.

    “Guy [Ritchie, the director] made it clear we were going to do something called Holmes Vision. You see Holmes’ vision of a punch before he delivers it and then you see the real thing. For the slow-motion fighting scenes, Guy used to tell me to try a take where I was punching through peanut butter,” Downey says. “That was the strangest direction I’ve ever got on a film set.

    “This was Guy’s take on the film and Sherlock and it was me trusting him and getting his approval,” Downey says. “That said, I’m crazy about the fighting and I love it.”

    What’s not in the movie is any drug use, which has been a staple of prior Sherlocks where the characters dabbled in a bit of cocaine. (It was typical in their day). Downey, who has suffered his own well-publicized drug issues and now is clean, says, “If you go back to the old Sherlocks, he was never a strung-out weirdo. In those days, you could go down to the corner pharmacy and grab what you wanted.

    “We did amend that part of it,” he says. “This is a PG-13 film.”

    As for shooting in London, “Well, I was here 20 years ago in London filming and what I do remember is the food sucked,” Downey says, recalling his Oscar-nominated role as Charlie Chaplin. “Then I did ‘Air America’ here too, which incidentally I call ‘Air Generica.’

    “There’s something about shooting in England that’s an enriched experience because of the people and the culture,” he says. “As Americans, we can have a bit of an abrupt attitude, which is so different from England.”

    “It’s not so much saying, ‘F---, this is what we’re going through.’ Instead, it’s, ‘Let’s have a spot of tea and talk it out.’ ”

    He says returning to America with his wife (and “Sherlock” producer Susan Downey) was a bit of culture shock. “When I came back from England, I landed in New Jersey,” Downey says. “I had been speaking the proper Queen’s English and then came back to Jersey and heard what was the most grating thing I’ve ever hear in my life. ... That was me talking in my real voice.”

    In the end, Downey isn’t worried about career moves. His “Iron Man 2” debuts next May and he’s on quite the roll. “I don’t get scared anymore,” he says. “I just get busy. It’s not about fear of the judgment of others. It’s just about me meeting my own standards.”
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    i agree with you gene...i actually like the camaraderie of this film, richie has balls, he let holmes and watsons brotherhood, show. **** the "****-erotic undertones"(im sorry but that ****es me off, thats why Hollywood rights in female leads who sometimes have no place in the film other then to prove the characters are not gay). they actually reminded me of the relationship i have with one of my friend, but to a lesser extent. alot of jibes and jabs reminded me of it, especially the part where he put the violin bow in his face, and he said get that bow(i dont think he said bow) out of my face, and that whole bit, we actually went through something similar (it was a car antenna, dont ask) like three days ago.lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by doug maverick View Post
    just watched this movie it was freaking awesome...only thing i hated in all the reviews was the constant reference of "**** erotic undertones" when i watched they just seemed like co-dependant brothers..which goes into the argument ive been saying for years, people see what they want to see, if your looking for gay undertones you'll find it . the action scenes were great, i looked up that baritsu online and found some interesting stuff, but the action in the movie was more wing chun mixed with a bit of jujitsu (guy Richie is an exponent of bjj, and RDJ wing chun) but i like how they blended it with old style boxing. good stuff.. i cant wait to see the sequals. i remember there was a rumor that they shot addition footage with brad pitt as pro. moriarty that rumors was untrue...but it would be freaking cool to have him as the dastardly professor in a sequel.
    My WC brother Eric Oram is Downey Jr's WC Sifu. Eric went to the UK with Robert to choreograph the fight scenes. Eric is in at least one fight scene. Look at the Oprah Segment clip here http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/clips.asp
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    getting right to the franchise.

    Robert Downey Jr. has dropped out of the Dreamworks/Universal comic adaptation Cowboys & Aliens. It would have reunited the him with Iron Man director Jon Favreau. Apparently there's a scheduling conflict with the Sherlock Holmes sequel. SH2 has not yet been greenlit by Warner Bros., but it is being fast-tracked based on the success of the first film.

    Warner Bros. has apparently already commissioned a script. It remains to be seen whether Ritchie will follow RDJ and direct the sequel.

    Personally, I can't see them succeeding with out Richie directing.

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    yeah looks like they will start shooting in june.

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    and now its a golden globe winner, robert downey just won for holmes...which i didnt even know was nominated.

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