Greater Interconnected Kicks of Peng Lai

[Oso]

here be the official dizcussion thread...

Shibo, is this set a creation of Shiye's or something older? you said it was a grouping of 2 person drills...the drills are older and the set new?

is there a separate name for the combination kick that is a face hanging kick into a side kick?

[Tainan Mantis]

Hi Matt,
I don't think he has made up his own sets. But this set has been added on by him.
When he began teaching he started with some older form and just added a few moves each time he taught it.

This version came to be the way he taught it most. I don't think any major changes were made since then.

Most of the moves are part of two man drills or kao da.

Some are just applications.

A few are neither, such as the xuan zi, I think they call it a whirlwind kick in English, there are two at the end of the fourth road.

This form is adopted mostly from Tien shan pai and Mi ZHong Yi.

The face hanging kick side kick only goes by that name, as far as I know,'gua mien tse chuai'

This particular move is also a kao da drill.
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[Oso]

I think I have tape of Shifu John doing part of this one time in tampa. When Da Shiye came over in 2004 we did a longish kicking practice one morning that led up to Shifu John showing a sequence of this and us trying to replicate it...I have worked it some and helped Sylvia learn that sequence and train it both sides.


I've never been able to accomplish the whirlwind kick though I've used face hanging/side kick to good effect.

[yu shan]

I will ask Shifu about this form maybe over dinner next week, and will take notes. When I was taught this form, I was just told do this so we practiced the movements. I was told nothing of the background of the form. It is a fascinating form non the less. What I am interested in hearing about are the moves being of a two man drill. Two man kicking drills are very nice and good conditioning. But right now my focus is Tanglang. Myself and a few other lucky fellows will be learning a part of Mei Hua Lu and this is more important right now. But I will ask about this kicking form.

[Tainan Mantis]

After this thread was started I decided to write an article on the kicks with a more in-depth view than usually fits in this forum.

I am no prfessional writer, but I hope that the readers can gain something interesting or at least spur new thoughts on your present kicking ideas.

www.plumflowermantisboxing.com

Kevin

[Oso]

Thanks again for another good article...eventually you will have a book!

[Oso]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwRgn8-5Rkk&feature=user

Kevin posted it in the vid clip section earlier, this was/is the discussion thread

[ninjaboy]

thanks for the link.....

well, that set's got'em all i'd have to say...got the ever-present flying mantis side-kick, the classic 'hook kick to round kick' that bill wallace clearly stole from mantis and the ever popular, tornado/whirlwind kick that everyone thinks is contemporary wushu but now we know is clearly traditional tanglang...

somebody take my beer away please...i'm getting rowdy.

neil

apologies in advance

[Oso]

Kevin gave me some history on this form but I don't want to recite it w/o checking my notes.


and, don't you know you're supposed to share?????


when are you going to be stateside again?

[Tainan Mantis]

"tornado/whirlwind kick that everyone thinks is contemporary wushu"

Chinese Opera is more like it.

There is a strong Longfist component to this form as well as the Shandong school of Mizhong Yi.

That move is not included in two man drills of kicks.
Next month I plan on putting down the sweep kick drills to go along with the uprooting kick drill I put in last month's article.

http://www.plumflowermantisboxing.co...cles/kicks.htm


Kevin

[Tainan Mantis]

As a continuation of my kicking drills I have written another article on kicks. This move is traditionally called sweep away the rebels kick.

I hope yo enjoy it. For those who do not do Peng Lai I hope you find something of value in the article to add to your present base of knowledge.

For those who find my poorly drawn pictures an offense to the meaning of the word 'art' you have my apologies. Only due to the requests of the curious do I dare make public my own hand drawn pictures.

Kevin

www.plumflowermantisboxing.com

[Oso]

Kick training is just that, kick training.

No one in their right mind just goes off and throws a high kick w/o setting it up.

IMO, kick training is good to develop both leg endurance and core strength and endurance.

If you never train high kicks then you are removing a tool from the box...maybe not a tool you will use very often in 'real' life but a tool nevertheless.

[Citong Shifu]

I really like that form (inter connecting kick), pretty cool. I agree with training high kicks, #1 - high kicking is much more difficult to train and develop than lower line kicking & #2 - High kicking develops awesome power, speed, stability, etc in itself, not to mention your low line kicking techniques. Of course, there's many other attributes developed through this type of training, just wanted to mention the more noticable aspects of this training.

I want to learn this form, Hint .

CS

[mantis108]

Kicking is not just a powerful offense tool training. It is also for timing, balance and coordination. In traditional training because of the emphasis on horse stances one would become flat footed. The kick training can help to remedy that.

As far as the experience that I have with Kevin's Pong Lai material, there is definitely takedown/breaking falling component with the kick training. BTW, there are also takedown with the Kao Da training as well. I believe Kevin has one of the most comprehensive material in Tanglang Training that is available.

It's great that he's sharing openly IMHO. I will recommend anyone who's interested in mantis training full time for a long time to go to him anytime. Of course if someone is in Europe I would recommend Mike Martello to him/her.

Anyway, Da Ti Shuai Na whether you are in stand up, clinch or ground should be all there.

Mantis108