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Thread: The Shaolin Monastery: History, Religion, and the Chinese Martial Arts by Meir Shahar

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    These points I found interesting:

    There is a part in the book that is very cool, it makes note of a manual written in the 17th century in which the author mentions a few systems that were "popular" at the time, systems like, " eight evasive manuvers, egale claw wang's grappling, Zhang Jinbais striking" and so forth and then goes on to say that eacj is quite wonderful in its own aspects but, thay are all guilty of either emphasizing "top to neglect the bottom or bottom to negelct the top", its goes to say that EVEN if they can successfully overcome an opponent, they cannot be considered perfect in every respect.


    Even back then there were issues of about the lack of "all around fighting ability".

    Another interesting passage comes from a book written in the 16th century by QI Jiguang called "essentials oo the hand combat classics":
    Qi was critical of flowery postures that while they looked good had very little combat implications, he said that without obvious postures or techniques you will be effective in one move, if you do make the mistake of of posturing and posing you will be ineffective with 10 moves, this view was echoed by Tang Shunzhi that said, " the reason of postures in the MA is to facilitate transformations...forms contain fixed postures, but in actual practice there are no fixed postures,When applied they become fluid but still maintain their structural characteristics".

    Both men were Generals with military experience.
    Psalms 144:1
    Praise be my Lord my Rock,
    He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !

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    Yes, as I have always said, it's the movements between the postures where the action is.

    So, it's not the forms are no good, it's not understanding them that's the trouble.

    They are a means to an end.

    The book says that like Chan (Zen) teaches you have to use something until you no longer need it. "If you see the Buddha in the road, kill him" is a famous Zen saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    by Tang Shunzhi that said, " the reason of postures in the MA is to facilitate transformations...forms contain fixed postures, but in actual practice there are no fixed postures,When applied they become fluid but still maintain their structural characteristics".
    I wrote an article about this with the complete translation:

    "The maneuvers of pugilism are what enable us to produce its changes.
    Regardless of whether you move horizontally, diagonally, sideways, upwards, forwards or downwards there exists walls and doors for defending and attacking.
    This is the meaning of maneuvers.
    Within pugilism are the fixed maneuvers, but during their application they are no longer fixed.
    And when using them their changes also have no fixed maneuvers, yet the maneuvers are still there.
    This is what is known as ba shi."

    The article is actually about Mantis Boxing, but this was a relevant passage.

    http://www.plumflowermantisboxing.co...pportunity.htm

    Kevin

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