Demos are demos, I don't put stock in them at all.
At times they seem totally unrealistic, heck I even saw demos of people counter the shoot with a flying knee or doing a jump spin hook kick in MMA !!
Imagine that !!
Demos are demos, I don't put stock in them at all.
At times they seem totally unrealistic, heck I even saw demos of people counter the shoot with a flying knee or doing a jump spin hook kick in MMA !!
Imagine that !!
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IMO a demo used legitimately can be used to teach something that has actual merit.. Folks can start off slow and apply a move to a known attack, etc.. Then you up the ante, etc..
But when you need to hold out demos as the example of the fighting value of the system then you are all show and no go.. To show fighting value of a system or style or method you have to show actual fighting.. The actual fighting will not look anything like what we see there in most cases as 'demoed'.... Those who have been around the block can see right away what is reasonable and not just based on the timing and motion used...
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---Good points! That's why I would have rather seen the techniques show up in an "unscripted" fashion. But given good reaction and timing, there's really no reason why at least several of the techniques demo'd couldn't show up in such a fashion. Not every attack comes in at lightning speed. Just watch a few UFCs.
I agree that it was a commerically driven event, and I'm a huge seminar fan to be honest so any exchange is a good thing if you ask me! Judgment on its effectiveness would have to be left to the participants though IMO and it would be good to see if they both get together again.
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I somehow don't think demo's are for the "seasoned" martial artist. They are for trade-shows and events...to grab inexperienced people with a little bit of trickery.
I remember rolling up in a Bak Mei school in Calgary to check it out. The Sifu had all the students stop class and they put on a whole demo for us! Full of breaking chopsticks on the neck and breaking rocks with one finger! The boys & girls had skill with their MA, but also had this other Chi-Building stuff. Heck...I'm an Acupuncturist and there's only so much I can take!!!
I'm picking up what you laying down, however. I do like the idea of, say, Tony Blauer, who never does another take on his vids. If he screws up, so what?!? He's human. Or, like the nonchalantness of Gary Lam's backyard Chi Sau. That's what makes a good demo to me...the seasoned (what?!?) MAist.
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Kenton Sefcik
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I don't think they'd bother, in the IMO unlikely event that Carlson was serious and not just being polite. IMO there is as good or better WC in other parts of the world as there is in HK, probably including Brazil.The truth be known is, if the Gracie Camp wanted this to happen and contacted Hong Kong for a representative,
Suffice to say very little came from this as regards MMA competition.
It's good to see two senior MA's cooperating, but having been to at least five BJJ seminars given by name Brazilians with my WC instructor over the last few years, training weekly in BJJ and MMA with a senior guy from another WC lineage at a BJJ/MMA school, and hosting seminars at our kwoon by the head of Aussie Machado BJJ several times a year, it's hard for me to regard this as revolutionary or groundbreaking. "About friggin' time" is my immediate response.
If there's a DVD for sale, and its another 60 minutes of this, IMO your money is better spent, unless it has posterity value for you as a Kwok or Carlson student.
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I've seen the dvd of the seminar, and i thought it was a bit was a bit ****.
Can one really offer insight into why or why not he didnt continue to show a Blast of punches like that.....
like it had nothing to do with Vitors sister getting kidnapped and him loosing the plot mentally with regard to fighting.
I dont think one can speculate either way......
DREW
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The thing that gets me about Demos or even stuff you get in books... is NONE of it is spontaneous yet we see flaws in the basics.... WTF?
Given actions are known prior to things kickin off, wouldnt one expect the technique to look more 'perfect' than most demos do.....
In the Kwok Demo we see Sam use a Tan against a round punch but he uses all his arm (very little body turning into the punch) which means his Tan arm has a little flying elbow...its plain to see..... and this is a dam demo ????
The same goes for still pics ive seen in books.
DREW
Training is the pursuit of perfection - Fighting is settling for results - ME
Thats not VT
"This may hurt a little but it's something you'll get used to"- TOOL
"I think the discussion is not really developing how I thought it would " - LoneTiger108
Its good to be the King - http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=2vqmgJIJM98